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2d ago
Is that a vibes-based "100%" or does the figure reflect some real confidence estimate? Because the typo+awkward grammar in the very last sentence, if nothing else, seems very organically human to me.
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2d ago
To believe this to be even remotely possible is to fundamentally misunderstand the nature of the charges against the prairieland suspects, and the law itself.
An easy thing to do, given how mainstream sources have not been exactly forward about the details. All I'm saying is that you don't need to theory-of-mind someone who knows/believes the same version of the events as you do, and then is outraged by the verdict - all that you need to understand is how someone who has probably not heard a version other than "a bunch of people went to protest for a Good Cause with fireworks, one of them had a gun because he was an ex-marine, and shot a sketchy cop thinking he was acting in self-defense; the state used it to lock them all away for believing in the Cause" from any source they considered credible would come to be.
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2d ago
Look at this screenshot from the dataset
I'm getting a "not found" CDN page from the link.
didn't bother to record the ethnicity of 71% of people it convicted of criminal offences
Where did the 71% figure come from? Up until this point it seemed like the no-record figures you mentioned were more around 30%.
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2d ago
I mean, how close-knit a group is it? If I were going with my SO, who I know is significantly more into spectator sports than I am, and she pushed me to, I would grit my teeth and go. If it were a big group of people who vaguely know each other, and some guy in the group who I "kind of know" asked me, even if he had nobody else to go with - yeah, I would wiggle out with an excuse. It's not like he can't go to the game by himself! Maybe he will even make some like-minded friends there.
To pass something like normative judgement, you really have to disentangle the question:
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How unreasonable do you think is it to generally dislike spectator sports (at least in person)?
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If you dislike them as above, how unreasonable do you think is it to not go to one anyway when such a "few in a life time opportunity" presents itself?
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If you are unswayed by the opportunity as above, how unreasonable is it to refuse to "take one for the team" and go to make it easier for another person who really wants to go to do so? How does this depend on the degree of familiarity with the other person, and how much worse off they would be if you refuse?
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How unreasonable do the three things above have to get before it becomes reasonable for you (the other person) to exercise some form of social pressure to punish them for defecting?
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2d ago
of me raping my five year old kid and the kid himself
C'mon, don't blur out the features of the kid in the photos used in the article, I wanna be able to imagine forcing my cock down his throat! There's no magical link! So there's no harm done! MAP rights when?
So is your imagined paragraph written from the perspective of the rapist parent, or some random person looking at the picture afterwards? The perpetrator, if he even needs the picture to keep the memory fresh, surely should have more problems than the blurred-out features; if you are in a position to force him to blur the pixels in every copy of the picture he has, you could just jail him for the act.
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3d ago
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Are you making a distinction between people who are outraged about Song's verdict and those who are only/primarily so about the others? That Song was convicted seems undisputably reasonable (though US prison sentences continue being bafflingly draconian to my European eyes - an effective life sentence, and he didn't even actually kill anyone?), but from what I gathered a lot of people do believe the others' claim that they did not know that Song planned to have a shootout at all (however plausible or not that claim is). If you buy into that narrative, it does really seem like a precedent for severe collective punishment if your politics are a bit out there and one of the people you associate with turns out to be crazier than you bargained for. I mean, what's the guarantee that if a Mottizen goes postal under a future Blue administration, there won't be calls to put us all on the hook based on this precedent?
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3d ago
There's are a lot more baileys out there than the "women under 30" one, including both ones farmed by the left-leaning and the right-leaning. The motte, as I understand, is "legal adult literally having sex with a prepubescent child". Baileys include e.g. adults fantasising about doing this to a child (imagined or real), but not physically doing it; older legally underage individuals; underage individuals having sex with each other rather than adults; adults fantasising about the latter ("I wish I could have acted on my crush on Stacy in seventh grade"). For each of those, it is in fact not hard to come up with virtuous principles and sympathetic situations.
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3d ago
With /r/combatfootage, you generally have the argument that the people who die in it either outright volunteered to be there or at least are perpetrators to the same degree they are victims.
I'm personally actually rather on the "decriminalise possession/distribution, punish production" side here, but I do think that one the flip side if you want to have that kind of moral system then for consistency real people (preemptively) or surviving relatives ought to be able to suppress circulation of /r/watchpeopledie style non-combat death videos too.
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3d ago
Are they? I thought they mostly care for battles involving real people getting it on; defending East Asian coomer games would put them on the side of people they don't like against people they like, without advancing any cause that affects them directly.
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3d ago
Yeah, "you can say what you want; the crime is not saying it but that you wanted to say that sort of thing" feels like it comes rather close to the revealed preferences there, what with people trying to dig up evidence of secret beliefs with the same vigour as recording taboo speech.
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3d ago
There are arguments against that that are not primarily based on "it's disgusting to me", though of course the line is thin ("disgusting to me" is easily turned into a seemingly less-egotistical "I believe it damaging to the consumer's psyche/society" at no cost).
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3d ago
Messy culture war battlefields are always fun. As far as I can tell, there are at least the following factions involved:
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Left-wing moralists who want to restrict sexualisation of women/"male coomer content" in general, and especially when it affirms numerical more-is-better specs like body proportion and breast size
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More-is-better men (socially tend to be lower-class and thrown in the pit with the right wing?) who want big tits and think that every cm³ of lost breast volume in media is a conspiratorial attack by the aforementioned against them personally
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Hard-progressive activists who think that it is morally imperative that they control the sociosexual development of children, in order to fix whatever aspects of reality don't agree with their ideals
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Right-wing moralists who are afraid of the preceding, and hope that whipping up moral panic about pedophiles can help them build a stronger coalition against them
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Animecels whose sociosexual development was anime set in Japanese high school settings, and who are therefore imprinted on the 14 year old phenotype (but fail to meet the definition of pedophiles because they are neither into real children nor into age/power differential dynamics)
It's not obvious what are the natural coalitions here! No two groups can make common cause without having to sacrifice something that is pretty dear to them.
On the object level, I am much more intrigued by the sequel trailer than I was by the original, both because the protagonist actually seems memorable in design (rather than being generic cookie-cutter K-pop plastic surgery bot) and because I like the Mamoru Oshii cyberpunk city setting a lot more than the original's knockoff NieR:Automata clanker desert. Hope they can ride the controversy to greater sales.
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4d ago
Do you think British decline would actually have been forestalled if they had focussed their energies on continuing to forestall the Germans? I guess that if you believe things now are worse most everywhere, it's easy to point at past choices to deescalate and imagine the counterfactual would have turned out better. (But, should Japan and Korea have stayed at each other's throats? The US and Canada? Sweden and Denmark?)
The French surely had their own version of that meme, considering their rivalry with the Germans went back further and they were the ones to push the most for the punitive terms of Versailles.
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4d ago
These "we have to do the bad thing to them or else they will do the bad thing to us" statements are facile. Churchill's "Hun", you must realise, is Germany, which is currently not at Britain's feet. Did the British make a mistake in acquiescing to the post-WWII European security architecture?
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4d ago
My stance is more or less what you describe, but I was under the impression that that makes me an outlier on this forum (especially if weighted by posting activity). The majority of active posters now seem to be sexual traditionalists with enough of an authoritarian streak that they subscribe to argumentation to the effect of (1) society is rotten, (2) the existence of sexual deviants contributes to its rottenness, (3) therefore we need to crack down on sexual deviation, over any ideas that adults are free to pursue happiness in their own way.
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4d ago
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A good half of these do seem to be talking about "socially constructed" constraints, which does lead me back to wondering how much the possibility of transitioning has taken the wind out of the sails of any push to relax or change the gender-role expectations of women. (I have seen some people in the 4channy corners of the internet throw around the term "tomboy genocide".) Of course, if you are sufficiently culturally conservative (and if I remember correctly, you were...?) you might not have been sympathetic to that push either, in which case... do you just think of those constraints as something like women's rightful cross to bear?
Boys have always had penis and testicles, imagine if you didn't but now suddenly things were growing out of areas that previously had nothing there!
To be fair, the prepubescent form of those organs is nothing like what they turn into later. I do distinctly remember the feeling when I saw a grown man naked for the first time, which was disgust followed by a mild sprinkling of existential horror that I may soon look like that as well.
Testosterone, I think, does really disfigure humans in a way that has no equivalent counterpart in women (which is why men and women both easily agree that women are by default prettier/cuter); and it is only due to significant, though generally very effective, psychological conditioning that we learn to deny this. The conditioning does not always take a hold on boys before the changes actually start kicking in.
Is there anything you believe you came to know, beyond that I am happy to logic-chop and split hairs even when this topic is involved? If that's enough to make you not want to continue the argument, I'm sorry, but high-decoupling everything is one norm I can't get myself to feel bad about ramming down people's throats.
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