ArjinFerman
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it is a promise of war against domestic political opponents who are broadly popular in Chicago
No it's not, unless we're going for selective literalism. If you really believe that, I'll happily offer you a bet on whether military force will be deployed against local Chicago politicians, the same way I offered you one about whether Trump will run for a third term.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
Work cooked my brain last week, so no update.
Since your last comment was on Monday, @Southkraut, I take it the same goes for you?
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1mo ago
the most we have to show for it is incredibly slow robotaxis operating in geofenced areas within a few select cities that don't have weather, which taxis are under constant monitoring from central command.
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1mo ago
A lot of the failure comes from the fact that European countries could not really fathom a guest worker program with NO route to permanent residency.
I'm pretty sure they existed within my lifetime.
It's not the messaging that spooks me out, it's the sheer size of the marketing and education infrastructure that was deployed in order to drive adoption, the speed with which it was ready to go, and who it was targeted at. Public and public-adjacent institutions aren't usually pushing people towards the latest fads, but this is exactly what's happening right now.
The best mundane explanation I can think of is that it's some galaxy-brained eurocrat scheme to Lead The World In Innovation or something, except that doing a free marketing campaign for American tech companies (which they usually low-key hate) is a bit of a weird way of doing that, and even if we go with that explanation that still kinda is a conspiracy.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
Back then the police was the target of a mass freakout the same way ICE is now, when the Blues stop using their media apparatus to drive a moral panic about ICE the shootings will also stop. It has nothing to do with organic unpopularity.
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1mo ago
No, not in their sleep.
Instead, I was treated to a bizarre presentation, which felt strangely paternalistic and maybe even a little desperate?
Partially out of laziness, and partially out of paranoia (sharing details could lead to my doxxing) I never written out a longpoast that's been on my mind since AI went mainstream. Basically I am deeply convinced that some dude(s) at Davos or wherever TPTB hang out these days, decided in advance that AI is going to be The Next Big Thing, whether it makes a lick of sense or not. I've seen, with my very own eyes, the very kind of workshops you're describing being rammed through in mere weeks since GPT-3 was published, and this happened in sectors famous for their calcification. There's an entire "Tech in Education" infrastructure devoted to getting kids hooked on chatbots as soon as they learn to read or write. There are incentive programs for public sector workers to sit through these kinds of presentations. It's nuts.
Now, is it a bubble? I dunno, someone recently linked some stats about OpenAI revenues, if they didn't do insane overinvestment, I think they should be fine, but the hype about it reshaping the world (+/-, chatbot romantic partners cooking people's brains, people's ability to research and think going into the toilet, etc.) feels pretty fake.
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1mo ago
It's my opinion that if you make concessions to your partners that they require as a basis for partnership, you cannot then renege on those concessions simply because you don't like them.
Yeah, a person I otherwise respect used to have a saying "accept compromise, but keep fighting", and boy I sure have a lot to say about how I hate the very idea of it.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
For one, I don't see why you need any of that evidence.
When people tell me it exists, I like taking a look.
The optics suck, you can tell they suck because they're terrible. You can tell they suck because people are shooting at ICE officers.
If you get shot, does it mean your optics suck, or does it maybe say more about the person doing the shooting?
This was an incredibly popular electoral issue. He crushed the election on it. Now he's underwater on it. I wonder why???
Polls generally are a lame argument, and I'm even more puzzled about why you think the names of The Economist and Nate Silver specifically should carry any weight with me.
By the way, did you just type out the same 2-3 paragraphs in 3 different comments? Are you ok?
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
Yes there is???!
Step me through this, please. Evidence of this being true would require a reasonably deep look at the anti-ICE narrative, the pro-ICE narrative, and some analysis of not only why the anti-ICE narrative is closer to the truth than the pro-ICE one, but an ironclad case for why ICE is being unnecessarily cruel.
I say some reasonably unoctroversial things like "gender affirming doctors are prescribing chemical castration drugs to children" and I'm expected to provide evidence with citations, but you make your case with "yes there is???!?" and repeating "thr optics are so horrible"? Why should I accept that?
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
There's a million ways he could've implemented the ICE program, and he chose one with the greatest optics of cruelty.
Give me the power of mainstream media, and I can portray a "free school lunch" program as having the optics with the greatest cruelty. Like why, after everything that we discussed here overe the years, should anyone, including left-wingers, take any of these declarations seriously?
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2mo ago
I dunno, yeah I saw people calling the election the moment it happened, but it sure didn't feel so certain to me.
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2mo ago
Fine, let's say I overstated. How many pro-Democrat posters can you find that called her a "blunder"?
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2mo ago
I think you're presenting a fringe opinion (on the motte, not in the States as a whole) as a consensus, or at least a major fraction.
Ok, hold on, this is likely poor communication on my part. I didn't mean to say or imply that, because the majority of people here rooted for the other side. I mean of the people who rooted for the Democrats, the majority thought Kamala was pretty good. Maybe "great" was an overstatent, but even that is a far better portrayal of the sentiment than "blunder".
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
Receipts please.
Even Ulyssessword came up with several as he was disproving me.
This really does not mesh with my memory of the period;
That's always how it works, doesn't it?
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
Even Naraburns thought she would win IIRC, and I remember Netstack's top level comment how the vibe shift even affected his parents. I think there were two posts about kids sending memes (I didn't make thisbshit up, dude), but one of them was deleted shortly after it was posted. I think Netstack can confirm it's existence, because I asked him about it once (mods can see deleted posts), though I guess if it was deleted ao quickly, it couls have been some astroturf op.
I'll look for this stuff later (am on mobile now), but it's insane we're pretending that there wasn't a fever of pro-Kamala sentiment.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
Harris's online presence was so fake it was pathetic. Not even the usual shills showed any enthusiasm
I agree with the first sentence and disagree with the second. It absolutely was fake, but every left-winger was going along with it.
If it wasn't for huge blunders like Harris and Hillary
Harris was a blunder? I distinctly remember posters here telling me how great she is. How she broght on the vibe shift, how optimistic everyone is thanks to her, how all the kids are sending each other coconut memes. LANDSLIDE ENERGY!
2016 was a while back, but the only people I recall dooming about Hillary were the Bernie Bros.
If the democrats could field another Obama
They can't. Even if Obama could run for a third term he would just end up becomming as insufferable as Harris. This is what the Blue Tribe is now.
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2mo ago
How is AOC not a wokescold?
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
The last thing, we're just two people talking, I don't see the value in calling something out as irrelevant.
But we're talking about specific things. I'm saying that what you're pointing to is not relevant to what was said before.
The first, I don't even think you can reach the general idea by way of this sort of quantitative analysis,
I mean, I agree, but you're the one that started talking about the frequency of short(er) presidents being elected.
Guess this landed on HR's desk pretty fast, because the next morning the entire office gets an email about racial microaggressions will not be tolerated, and now hundreds of people had to take a racial bias training course (most of whom happened to be Indian).
Note, how this is not a problem with food, it's exactly the sort of problem of incompatible values that was brought up before.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
Superficial just means surface level or shallow so far as I typically use it. Lots of superficial attributes are important in achieving various outcomes. We haven't elected a president shorter than 6 foot since Jimmy Carter,
Ok, if you want to make this point about the things you listed before, you'll have to show me similar statistics about work relationships breaking down due to cullinary choices, etc.
There's significantly more baggage that comes with being American than just being born in a particular place
Correct, which is why they're not both "American". Or at least not the same kind of American
And whether or not an American wants to be an agent for the empire, they are
Completely irrelevant to the point being discussed.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
I'm pretty sure "important" and "superficial" are antonyms. I'm not saying it's impossible for, say, food to be the focus of an irreconcilable difference of values (see: "I will not eat the bugs"), but whether one person eats Itallian and the other Chinese won't affect their ability to cooperate, so declaring there's a smaller gap because people eat the same just sounds bonkers to me.
And even in terms of ideology, MeanRedMan and MeanBlueGuy are most critically, promoters of the American cultural hegemony and distributors of various propaganda.
"American" here only means "originating on roughly the same continent", and it's not even clear how many people of either tribe even want to be cultural hegemons of the world.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
The polities live similar lives, eat similar foods, consume similar mass media, display similar politics on issues primarily determined by age (social security, medicare), enjoy similar past times, have similar incomes, etc. The median red and blue voter are both very identifiably American when mixed into a global pool of people.
How is that a far lesser divide? These things are completely superficial.
Whenever anyone says anything to anyone, we should at least consider the possibility that what they said was meant literally. But there's nothing here to suggest a literal interpretation, this is no different than Lyndon B. Johnson's "war on poverty" speech.
And if you disagree, then put your money where your mouth is, and bet me.
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