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TheAntipopulist

Voltaire's Viceroy

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Sure, I understand why they did it, I just wish they didn't.

Blocking people certainly isn't petty if they consistently resort to ad hominems. Attacking the speaker rather than their arguments ought to result in a mod action unless there are exceptional circumstances IMO since it almost always degenerates to heat > light, but that's not really enforced here. I wish there was something like Twitter's mute functionality as that's what I'd prefer over full blocking, but if blocking is the only thing I have then that's what I'll use.

But you're right, I should probably have just ignored this. Fruit from a rotten tree.

we literally had exactly that

We never had this. The conservative ecosystem has never had something that was as consistently high-quality and as consistently central to the conversation (even only among conservatives) as the NYT.

Eh. This is like claiming people who enjoyed traveling and being perceived as "worldly" would have been devastated by the internet allowing anyone to chat with strangers from 1000 miles away with minimal friction. Was that a thing? Plausibly maybe, but I don't recall much to that effect.

As someone who bases his identity a decent chunk around being intelligent, I'm not too worried. It turns out that a lot of it was implicitly graded "relative to other humans". I'm not to worried that calculators can do mental math better than me for instance. And smart people will be able to leverage AI much more effectively than dumb ones. We can already see that in stuff like education: AI is easily one of the best tools for learning that has ever been invented, but it's also one of the best tools to avoid learning as well. Naturally curious people will gravitate to the former on important topics, while less curious people will gravitate to the latter and suffer long-term costs from it.

It's highly unlikely that the value from human intelligence is going to 0 any time soon. If anything, AI could plausibly increase it rather than decrease it.

I think there's some signal here, but there's several parts I find less convincing.

First, this is clearly AI written. I'm personally fine with that, but the blatantness could be offputting to some.

I buy the central story that multiculturalism became "sacralized" as you describe it. From a problem to be managed --> "this is a GOOD thing actually" --> "this is literally who we are, how dare you criticize it, BIGOT!!!"

I'm less convinced that this is a good overall framework to evaluate institutions/empires. Your other examples are pretty weak -- you can squint and make the case that they fit, but all grand theories can do that, and yours has to squint pretty hard.

  • For Rome, you vastly overestimate the centrality of conquest to legitimacy. Expansion was what successful empires did up until 1945. There was some amount of normative buy-in for that during Augustan times, but legitimacy in Republican times had a decent emphasis on civic virtue, while the later empire had an emphasis on stuff like maintaining the grain supply, keeping the army paid and loyal, and charismatic authority. The Roman Empire stopped doing big conquests for the most part, yet still endured for centuries. It was even acceptable to abandon huge sections if they were hard to control (e.g. Germania, Dacia, Mesopotamia). Then of course there was the Byzantine Empire that flourished for a millenium after the West had fallen.
  • For the USSR, the problem with Communism was the fact that it was Communism. Its problems were baked in from the start, and the only reasons it lasted for decades is 1) because Russia was a rising power beforehand which meant Communism had buffer to do a lot of damage without being fatal, and 2) it abandoned big chunks of Communist principles at various points.

The framework has a distinctive property: it predicts the suppression of its own articulation.

Careful with this line of logic. Statements like this tend to degenerate into "anyone who disagrees is actually just proving my theory even more correct!"

The framework is not unfalsifiable. It can be disproven by answering a single question: Why has enforcement of foundational civic principles become politically costly, and can you explain that without referencing the dynamic identified in this framework?

This isn't really a falsification. A falsification would look like "If we observe Y under conditions C, the theory is false.". Instead, this is "If you can’t produce an explanation of X that I accept, my theory survives." That’s not falsification, it’s inference-to-best-explanation with the judge being the author.

Also, "politically costly" is doing too much work here. In liberal democracies, enforcement of almost anything is costly when it touches identity or distribution conflict. If "pushback, moralization, fear of delegitimization" counts as "political cost," then virtually any contentious enforcement automatically looks like sacralization even when ordinary coalition politics or rights-conflict explains it. The framework risks defining its core claim ("sacralization makes enforcement costly") in a way that absorbs common democratic dynamics as proof.

I'd agree National Review is fairly decent. The problem is its place in the Republican ecosystem. The fact its been willing to criticize Trump has made it a persona non grata to a lot of the MAGA-dominated modern Right. By contrast the NYT remains firmly centered in the left-leaning info sphere.

I feel like we have a lot of differences in our definitions here:

  • Desantis was certainly not the only Republican to combat wokeness. Are you referring to him trying to build an entire alternative ecosystem here?
  • I would not call peak woke as being the "height of the centrist wing of the Democrats' power" by any means. "Power" to me means the ability to implement the change you want vs. the change someone else wants. Biden may have been President, but he had woke staffers running roughshod over a lot of policies both in theory and in practice.
  • Trump's victory accelerated the process of woke burnout that was already occurring. It was not the cause, it was the death-knell.

I agree with you on all points. The reason the Right can't produce a quality competitor is that it has a demand issue rather than a supply issue. The parties have increasingly sorted by educational attainment which correlates with intelligence, but it's not like everyone on the Right is a moron. You only need like a dozen or so good journalists to start an institution. But the Right lacks an ecosystem that punishes partisan slop, so you have a few genuinely good writers blogging in the wilderness (like Arctotherium, who I'm a fan of) while the Right mainstream gets clowns like Shirley and podcasting fools like Tucker, Candace, and Rogan dominating the conversation.

Capturing institutions is particularly valuable when there are large network effects like Twitter, and I agree that Musk's takeover was a huge coup for the Right. I don't think it's quite as hard to build a competitor to the NYT by comparison.

It doesn't need to be impartial enough to win over deranged leftists, just enough of the center that people like myself or Scott or Bryan Caplan or Richard Hanania or Nate Silver could look at it and see a relatively competitive alternative. The easiest niche would be on identity topics since the MSM is quite bad on those, but right-leaning news is also terrible so we're in a "pick your poison" environment on that issue. On most other topics the NYT is good enough that it can generally be trusted within terms of bounded distrust that reading it will be a lot better than the average right wing news source, which at this point isn't so much Fox News as it is Tucker, Candace, and Rogan.

Correct, I've changed it, thank you for pointing it out.

I'm blocking Zeke since he mostly just posted ad hominems instead of actual arguments when responding to me. I can't see his comment. What does this have to do with Ukraine?

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Oh don't get me wrong, they should be allowed to from a default libertarian point of view. If dumb people want to make dumb decisions, they should be allowed to within reasonable bounds as long as they're not harming anyone else.

The problem is, as I said in my post, the political ramifications. People love to blame the platform that allows stupid people to make stupid decisions rather than the stupid people themselves, and this jeopardizes the good thing (political bets).

The fact that prediction markets got tethered to sports betting is terribly unfortunate. It's like if Kalshi took its crypto elements as an opportunity to "diversify" into crystal meth. There's a lot of value in being able to see the odds of elections or political events at-a-glance. I hope the entire ship doesn't go down as a consequence of stupid people doing stupid things, and then society blaming the platform while holding the stupid people as helpless victims.

You're right. I'm used to PVP shooters using lobby balancing like TF2. In the days of ubiquitous skill-based matchmaking the penalty for being bad is far lower. A septuagenarian won't make it very high on the ranks, but most games can provide a steady stream of drunks, stoners, and Gamer Girls for them to feel good enough to keep playing.

Thank you for the link. That's a pretty juicy one. That sneering, spiteful attitude. Claiming America started the war. Getting pushback in the comments and responding that other people offsite had unrealistic expectations without linking anything. Even seeing "majestic capeshit arc" in context is worth a chuckle.

Media is hard since humans are self-interested monkeys that want to lie and exaggerate to dunk on their outgroup all the time. From that baseline, the mainstream media is quite good, as long as you ignore its coverage on identity-related issues.

There are certainly valid criticisms of the media, but what's telling is MAGA's utter failure to offer up a credible alternative after an entire decade. There's no law that prevents them from doing this, it would just require consistent work on par with what the NYT produces, and enough impartiality not to be written off as blatant right wing propaganda. This would benefit not only the Right, but the Republic as a whole for having a credible alternative. Instead... we get stuff like Nick Shirley -- a kernel of a real problem reported in regards to Somali fraud, but wrapped up in layers of partisan nonsense.

I'm staunchly pro-Western and have been following Ukraine relatively closely for its entire duration. I recall the hype for the summer 2023 offensive, but I don't recall much widespread hype for summer 2024, and I really don't recall anything for summer 2025 nor upcoming 2026.

A conspiracy theorist could respond with the following:

You’re assuming "they" had the option set you think they had. Killing him before the NYC arrest might have been harder rather than easier: he had private security, controlled environments, and (depending on the timeline you pick) he wasn’t yet in a federal facility with the same leverage points.

You’re assuming the goal is "least suspicious" -- but it might be "most explainable". A heart attack in Paris is less controllable since it invites autopsy uncertainty in a foreign jurisdiction, questions about private doctors, and paper trails. On the other hand, "suicide in jail" comes with a template of negligent guards, broken cameras, and bureaucratic errors. It's not "less suspicious", but it is "more deniable". Suspicion can be tolerated if it can't be proven.

You're treating the FBI as a monolith, whereas it's actually factional. Not everyone in law enforcement is on the same team. "They" might not control the early stages. The "heads up" might come late, after the arrest is already imminent.

etc.

You can definitely still play shooters or most other reaction-based games when you get older, you just shouldn't be doing PVP or extremely hard difficulties if you want to have a good time.

The big issue is the Fascist-Feminist synthesis means both the Left and the Right actually agree on this issue, but for wildly different reasons:

  • Older women viscerally hate it when older men date younger women, which has led to the Left broadly being hostile towards age gap relationships.
  • The Right has two elements: First, there was a lot of (wildly incorrect) hysteria that Leftists were going to try to make pedophilia legal as the next step on the slippery slope after gays and trans were done. Second, there's long been a bunch of conspiracies about pedophiles controlling the government in QAnon or Pizzagate form, so there's been a ridiculous trend to try and link practically anything towards sinister cabals of pedophiles.

As such, there's almost no political appetite for decreasing the age of consent.

As for what it ought to be, 15 does indeed seem like a more reasonable age than 18. It wasn't even that uncommon all that long ago, heck a lot of countries in Europe have their ages at 14. In terms of mentality, a lot of it depends on the individual's IQ. A 130 IQ kid could be emancipated at 13 and would probably make better decisions than the average adult, and there's an argument to be made that an 85 IQ person should always be treated as a child to some extent. But polite society has an allergy to explicit references to IQ so we just randomly draw a line at 16-18 and call it good enough I guess.

I wish you'd include a link to the old Ukraine discussions, as it would be nice to go through and downgrade my opinion of certain forum posters' forecasting ability relative to the confidence they projected in Ukraine's impending doom.

This forum has a lot of pro-Russian (or anti-Western is probably a better term for them) posters who are smart enough not to go full "just 2 more weeks!!!" but who still fall for a lot of the pro-Russian propaganda overall. I vaguely recall a post involving a new Russian missile that would be a wunderwaffe.

As always, Ukraine could experience upsets at any time, but the likelihood of that at any given point is relatively low compared to just muddling along as usual.

  1. You're exaggerating a bit with your first and second claims.
  2. Past presidents, especially Trump, have pushed the envelope in their own ways. Bush Jr. did it, Obama did it, Trump did it, and Biden did it. In terms of who did it the most, that award would almost certainly belong to Trump.

Never-Trumpers never had much purchase beyond the Republican party as a coherent faction. As for Democrats, the centrist wing was a decent portion of the reason why the leftist fringe has lost so much power over the past few years.

Obama and Pelosi have a combined net worth that is substantially less than Trump has made from his scamcoin alone.

Biden sat pretty far outside the post-watergate norm for domestic policy pressures

Biden wasn't far outside the norm compared to recent presidents.

Cultural republicans have rights, and if we have to choose us or you to be oppressed, guess what we pick.

False dichotomy. Wokeism was a cancerous political movement, but the reaction from the Right should have been to defeat it conventionally, not to devolve into Trump Cultism nor to treat it as a blank check to engage in nearly unlimited political hypocrisy (e.g. Trump's open corruption).