Bingbong
26d ago
Are the "160 school girls" supposed to be special in some way?
Has the number even been verified to any deep degree? I personally don't doubt that a school was hit but it feels like a pretty significant highroll unless they happened to hit an assembly or something.
Indians have effective social technology to deal with this issue via arranged marriage of awkward guys who have their shit together and would have no chance in the 'dating market'. I've got good Indian friends with decent jobs and who've had arranged marriages in the last couple years who happily acknowledge this fact and thank their many gods that the system is in place.
Bingbong
26d ago
Exactly. Also the nature of dating apps means that the territory of a given 'chad' has expanded exponentially and their mindshare of the market has thusly increased. Plus it gives a sense that the pool is a lot wider and deeper than it is so if something's not perceived as a perfect fit you should just keep drawing lots.
Bingbong
26d ago
I think you're understating the effect of being neurotic/intensely spectrumed. I've got a family friend who's a very brilliant (Major international awards) academic mathematician but socially incapable who essentially got adopted by his wife in high school in rural Australia 40 years ago and now has a bunch of sons who have not fallen far from the tree.
The sons haven't been able to get into academia since they're cis hetero whites and they're intensely struggling to find productive employment and/or girlfriends since the dating app and job app realm is fucking brutal for a nerdy white autist. Longterm I'd expect they probably find partners born overseas due to the market and cultural dynamics, but it does seem downright deranged how hard it is for them to get meaningfully on any ladder. Their father's a genius but I also don't think he'd be doing particularly better if he were in his twenties circa 2020.
Bingbong
26d ago
What of the poor males in the countries where the women are being plucked from? Now they've got to compete with wealthy foreigners and THEY can't passport bro it up.
You'd be amazed how deep the chain of passport broing goes into the developing world. I'm an Australian who met my Malaysian Chinese wife in Australia and now live in Malaysia. The stereotypical Malaysian Chinese boomer guy looking for a second wife/mistress will usually pull from Vietnamese girls who are a bit poorer and then the equivalent Vietnamese guy will usually pull from Laos. God knows what the Laotian guy's doing, though.
Bingbong
26d ago
Also with modern migration etcetera you can passport bro lite without leaving your immediate surrounds in a lot of places. I met my Malaysian wife in Australia and now live in Malaysia, but having extensively online dated on my way to finding my wife the majority of women who hit my minimum threshold of non-fat, has a job, doesn't have somebody else's kids, not overtly trashy in order to have a first date were born overseas.
A combination of the locals 'pricing themselves out of the market', value drift in Western women etcetera
Bingbong
26d ago
The amount of women who have negative experiences is genuine and largely the fault of certain men who are over-represented in the amount of harm they commit.
Yeah but they're the gatekeepers and they're consistently picking the same people to let through the proverbial gate. Average single guy in the average single woman's body could speedrun to 'an okay relationship' in 48 hours even on the dating apps. Vice-versa and they are so very very very very fucked.
Bingbong
27d ago
Does fertility rates for minorities include children brought in that weren't born in the country in question?
Bingbong
27d ago
Different beauty standards strikes again. All three persons you listed…are solidly 3 in China.
I feel like China managing to withstand the obesity epidemic is also a decent part of this. Atleast walking around in China it feels like you don't see fat people as much. IMO in the West a lot of stuff around facecard-level attractiveness is pretty distorted by how many people are just fat and reshaped the bell curve as a result of it.
Bingbong
27d ago
Will it really? I'm inclined to think that anyone so susceptible to the media environment as to be taken in by demoralization tactics would not improve the gene pool by breeding.
I went to a pretty elite high school/university combination and I see a lot of girls in my cohort who I'd say are high ranking for intelligence, conscientiousness and a bunch of other positive traits who'd post this kinda content fairly frequently. They might not be on the right social wavelength right now to be maximally productive, but if you're nerdsniping a bunch of high IQ performers with the powers of Girlbossing I'm pretty skeptical it's longterm beneficial to the gene pool.
Bingbong
27d ago
School Photos? Facebook photos they've curated?
I'm not saying that she's secretly some 10/10 goddess I just think it's a bit of an unfair comparison between 'woman in random political candid photos' and social media girls who can aggressively curate their images
Bingbong
27d ago
You're completely missing the point with this. Yes, autism as defined by the previous school of thought is maintaining relatively consistent numbers generationally. However, scope creep of the diagnosis combined with the weaponization of 'I have a disability give me free shit' from people tapped into the system inevitably gets downright rapacious when people who were considered able to have full healthy lives (albeit a bit weird) a generation ago now have a label which entitles them to access whatever societal privileges. I agree that the vaccination = autism correlation/argument is spurious and created by a series of underlying mostly-uncorrelated correlations. RFK's identifying something salient in that the modern system of privilege creates massive overdiagnosis of psychological conditions, even if he doesn't understand or wish to communicate that fact since he'd likely get sledgehammered from anothe direction.
The Data center point is a complete non-sequitur in this case and isn't really reasoned from any place other than 'I don't like data centers and I broadly like the environment, this is a good cudgel'. The same goes for discussing the Trans violence rate not being that high when you take out a vanishingly small chunk of sexworkers, yet yaddayadda Trans genocide.
Bingbong
28d ago
"good news, vaccines don't cause autism and there isn't an autism epidemic, it's just diagnostic drift"
Uh this just opens up a cascade of other issues. Like it's good that the 'classical autism' numbers are remaining consistent but significant diagnostic drift around mental illness is going to have other major issues especially in a robust welfare state.
Bingbong
28d ago
I am sure there are some women who could do the job, but most very intelligent women eschew quant finance. And yet.
Surely gotta hope for Speedrunning-type women to come and save the day
Bingbong
28d ago
A lot of this is dependent on girls trying to swing way above their natural level on the occasions that they do actually lead the dance, and then complaining that it's not working out for them. As a girl if you're possessed with a modicum of rationality in who you play moderately proactive with, you can most likely get a stable longterm relationship
Bingbong
28d ago
Still as a Westerner I'd say the Northerners are more likely to turn my head aesthetically. I did a jiujitsu tournament in Beijing and I was shocked at my division having good numbers at 100+ KG and big, beefy local Chinese. Admittedly mostly from Tianjin or further North than that but compared to the largely Southern overseas diaspora it was a pretty big shock to me.
Bingbong
28d ago
A lot of people are fairly hard against copyright. Not that it's my personal belief, but if I put my 'angry twitter warrior hat' on I could see argument that the story shouldn't entitle to her than more than a 'reasonable living'. Also you could argue that a large part of that billionaire status is built off merchandising her story as opposed to direct entertainment consumption, which may also be objectionable?
Bingbong
28d ago
There's definitely a subtle game to be playing but I'd wager that the woman was doing her best to be inviting whilst not being 'sus'. In my experience of listening to female friends complain about being taken advantage of for being proactive and 'leading the dance', it's also generally in the context of them trying to pull somebody who's giving low energy signals and also is frequently 'out of their league'. Thus there's a certain inherent correlation between these women trying to lead and feeling putupon.
Bingbong
28d ago
Exactly. A large part of modern dating dysfunction is both genders not knowing how to 'do the dance' especially with the introduction of modern technology. Impulses that'd maybe play out as a come hither thing in fleeting in-person contact don't work on apps or over DMs.
Bingbong
28d ago
I feel like these videos being 10 years old and largely being unposed photos which somebody's harvested as opposed to the linked girls having access to 2025 cosmetics and controlling their own online images insofar as what's posted also makes it hard to compare.
Bingbong
28d ago
Also curious how big a regional skew there is to this. Based on my travels in China I'd say that the Northern provinces tend to produce a higher average attractiveness for both genders, but a lot of that's the height and relative sturdiness.
Bingbong
29d ago
Maybe there's a certain impulse to look the gift horse in the mouth that'd come if suddenly 11/10's were materializing from the aether, as well? The woman might not look like a supermodel in photos but she's definitely in the realm of attractive and if she's got pleasant, positive energy that's likely gonna add a bunch more points to the equation.
Also having been on dating apps in the last decade, the attractiveness floor has cratered due to obesity and alternative lifestyles. Pleasant, non-fat and proactive can go miles for you.
Bingbong
29d ago
Yeah I haven't been involved in hiring in a bit but I remember a spot about 5 years ago where I was in the position of hiring fresh graduates and was ordered to explicitly discriminate (2/4 of the slots had to be filled with females in an industry that is 95% Male interest) and there was such an overwhelming logjam of applicants that it was essentially a crapshoot for who got picked from hundreds of applications for the 2 male graduate slots whilst for the girls there were like... 4 serious applicants, 1 of whom turned us down on moral compunctions after an offer was extended.
My own journey to get my original grad job was a similar gigantic crapshoot, likely due to the same filters being applied on the backend the whole time and when there's a pressure for picking minorities the nepotism picks are going to be a larger and larger issue since they're completely clogging the pipeline for the rare actually meritocratic slot.
A decent portion of the world thinks that the meat comes from the back of Costco and have no understanding of the amount of violence and stuff that modern society is built upon as a brief island in the chain. Without even getting into the old 'if X regime found themselves in the position of dominance occasional civilian casualties would be a tiny fraction of what they'd immediately, enthusiastically get up to'
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