Bingbong
2mo ago
I think the Trump base just likes to feel like something's actually done, and both sides are happyish to dance around the cheap labor manufacturing/agricultural illegals in the South for as long as possible since there's too many competing interests. However stuff like the Somali fraud (Yes they're mostly legally in the country) is relatively easy optics for ICE to go after since it's very very very hard to defend their actions
Bingbong
2mo ago
There's just a lot of complexity in US immigration. Many, possibly most, of the "undocumented" are in fact highly documented with extensive paper trails.
Exactly. Actual honest to god 'carried into the country by a coyote or completely undetected and stayed completely off the radar' cases are rare especially above the Mexican border states.
Bingbong
2mo ago
Essentially this, yeah. Box-ticking for the sake of bureaucracy isn't going to just be solved
Bingbong
2mo ago
First, undocumented immigrants are, not to put too fine a point to it, undocumented.
Completely undocumented immigrants that entered the country secretly are actually a decent minority plus the whole sanctuary city setup means that there's a natural impulse to cluster into certain areas.
Bingbong
2mo ago
Exactly. Enforcement in Blue Areas is noisier since the local power structures are trying to actively resist ICE participation, meaning that ICE needs more boots on the ground instead of just picking up those who are already collected.
Also people are conflating illegal immigration with 'coyote land border crossings', there's a ton of people who are just visa overstayers and originally entered reasonably.
Bingbong
2mo ago
Will the compliance layer not just adapt to this and expand, though? Lot of the things that AI does effectively are more structural constraints than absolute requirements.
Bingbong
2mo ago
Couldn't this potentially align with the immense Somali autism rate in Minnesota and struggling children of certain diaspora being more likely to be diagnosed with medical issues to explain their academic issues?
Bingbong
2mo ago
Plus the filter of the ones that manage to have children of a given cohort of the light-moderate autistic are likely going to err towards the shallower end of the spectrum and then it's a whole new roll of the dice with their kids.
Bingbong
2mo ago
Or the whole Apu thing when I'd argue the Simpsons targeted the Scottish (Willie) and generic Germanic central European (Uter) more directly with lazy negative stereotyping
Bingbong
2mo ago
SBF is a child of 2 law professors at Stanford with no indications of social-dysfunction in how they present themselves.
'Two accomplished professionals with a touch of the 'Tism that's sufficient to give them professional success but not go overboard produce children a bit further out on the spectrum' is superduper common. My mom spent 20 years teaching at a school for essentially bottom-tier autistic Children and other learning difficulty havers, and the rate at which the parents would be dual high-flyer doctors, surgeons, academics, engineers or whatever and then the child just gets too much of the secret sauce... It happens. Without even going into the whole 'the parents were born into more typical households in a better socialized environment whilst the children got born into the internet era with permissive enlightened avant garde parents' aspect.
Bingbong
2mo ago
It's additionally confused when the immigrant/native thing gets treated as the only marker of class and/or is seized upon by first/2nd gens as a tool of giving them greater privilege. The amount of times I've had interactions with people talking about bias and classism in the West when they're top 5% in their country of origin and have been the beneficiary and performer of 1000-fold the oppressive activity on their own Untermensch.
Bingbong
2mo ago
I've got friends who were very early FTX employees. SBF probably cranked his performative autism dial to 11 at certain points, but based on their testimony it always lingered around a 9 even when he was totally in his element.
Bingbong
2mo ago
I get why there'd be a workaround for professionals but the idea they've just got a pile of stripper signup forms and then she actually went up and danced instead of being 'observing Stripper intern' for the day
Bingbong
2mo ago
The woman being unable to enter the club legally under the age of 21 and therefore quickly signing up as a stripper in order to get in is a pretty insane sequence of events, I've got to say.
Bingbong
2mo ago
Doctor scuttlebutt is that the patient wasn't psychiatric - pure personality.
How do you define this though? Not to cast aspersions on the doctors but the inherent nature of mental health diagnosis means that declaring somebody absolutely sane isn't the same as saying 'they don't currently have a broken leg'. The whole system is clearly creaking under an unwillingness/inability to actually handle whatever small % of genuine social defectors which then produces people rushing to palm them off on some other subsystem in order for them to no longer be their problem.
Bingbong
2mo ago
You see this in stalking and DV cases - threats and implications are often not enough to do anything useful and things end up being too late.
True but you think those'd have more inherent grey areas than the litany of 'moderately violent homeless person is brought in 50 times until finally actually murdering somebody' if it's a defective relationship between two societally-functional people versus a person who is clearly just not beneficial whatsoever.
Bingbong
2mo ago
Exactly. The Modern West just struggles to deal with people who defect from polite society. Most of the punishments that can still be levied are more 'this derails you from polite society so don't do it' effects. Thus for committed defectors it quickly becomes a case of the latest fine simply adding to the pile.
Bingbong
2mo ago
they’ll keep filling those spots but the next 10 guys might start to think twice about being as oppositional. It’s definitely not a silver bullet, but I don’t think that means it is useless.
Or eventually you find one of those top 10 guys that you have a special relationship with and/or identify as a relative moderate, at which point you can then ensure the space above him is kept conveniently open and facilitate a regime change in which somebody you can actually negotiate with gets put into the top job.
Bingbong
2mo ago
'Callousness' in medicine is unavoidable. End of the day most serious medical engagements are the worst thing to happen to the patient this year, decade or lifetime and it's Tuesday for the person treating them.
Bingbong
2mo ago
A plethora of these people have gone through the Immigration court system and have simply disappeared into the wilderness after being told to vacate the country. Short of stationing ICE at every hearing and directly taking anybody who fails to secure further time in the country immediately to the border (and that still produces 'heartbreaking FASCISM photo of mean ICE wrestling deportee against their wishes') it's not going to be solved by simply upping the amount of judges if the people involved are inherently noncompliant.
Bingbong
2mo ago
I don't know how long they've been together so this might predate the current moment in dating, but showing conservative politics/any sort of a job like policing on a dating app is incredibly poisonous to your rate of matching.
Also having personally gotten out of the Dating App Mines a few years ago with a WMAF pairing, simply holding the following standards
- Has a job/actual careerpath
- Not obese
- Doesn't immediately shut down at any sort of conservative politics
- Non-trashy tattoos/obvious promiscuity
- Some sort of family values/interest in having kids
Meant that my dating menu was like 85% Asian in a country that's like 10% Asian on the top level. That's gonna encourage guys of his profile to end up with Asian women.
Bingbong
2mo ago
Honestly I feel like the calculus for Democrats is pretty good for drawing this out in the court of law. Keeps it in the media cycle longer and from the Rittenhouse thing the guy actually being cleared probably wouldn't actually change most people on the 'murder' side of the affair's opinions
Bingbong
2mo ago
But virtually no one seems to be actually continuing that thought and saying that he should be charged anyways. We have rules. ICE has rules. That's the point of having rules, to use them! If Good had survived and Ross died then I would be saying that Good should be charged too.
Yeah but he's clearly enough on the right side of the rules that nobody with any real power on the Democrat side of the aisle wants to force this to a court case since they'd lose embarrassingly.
Bingbong
2mo ago
The White elite is slowly losing its power, since the demographics are not in its favor. The way I see this is that by using authoritarian tactics, the elite tries to keep its power even when becoming an even bigger minority. Since the democratic system guarantees the loss of power.
Isn't this demographic pivot broadly due to the elite inviting large amounts of foreigners into the country in service of capital? It's not like some random pillaging horde of steppe people has come in without invitation.
It appears that there are some Somali visa overstayers (thought that's not really impacting the core issue that much) but it functions to keep the issue alive in the public's minds.
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