Bingbong
3d ago
I do agree that the Left's more factionalized but maybe Hasan or something, especially since he ticks a bunch of the minority boxes. Maybe Sanders or AOC though it's a bit different as they actively hold office.
But yes I wouldn't expect to see tweets condoning their deaths getting several hundred thousand likes.
Bingbong
3d ago
I believe it's a combination of US growth being distorted by a small group of stocks absolutely ripping, Europeans not really reaping much benefit from the SAAS boom and generally treading water. Most of it's kinda pointless since it's disappearing up the navel of arbitrary software growth so that we may all dashboard business intelligence for key stakeholders.
Bingbong
3d ago
I did some reading on dating app trans violence after this conversation and it seemed like one of the main motivations was some sort of 'Trans person goes on a date with somebody from a background where Trans aren't prevalent, who then loses their shit after not realizing that they're trans despite signs that'd be trivial to a fellow young person Westerner'
Bingbong
3d ago
AFAIK most of the 'gay panic' cases were more about crossdressing prostitutes assaulted by their clients, though I'm also not aware of any cases where that had led to an acquittal. I'm also reminded of a friend I once had who was MtF and believed, somehow, that they were better off not flagging their status on dating apps since in their mind the chances of somebody specifically luring them for violence due to being trans was greater than somebody not realizing and then taking it badly when they learned in person. I was fairly skeptical of that line of argumentation.
Bingbong
3d ago
I'm gonna speculate wildly that the suspect is going to be trans, probably motivated by some wild mishmash of Palestine freedom/Trans rights and probably ex-military.
Bingbong
3d ago
Apologies just saw the Trans, anti-fascist things at a few places beforehand.
Bingbong
3d ago
Latest updates
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c206zm81z4gt
- Murder Weapon found, pro-trans inscriptions upon the magazines
- FBI have photos and video of the suspect, seem confident they'll find him. Not interested in releasing a description or photo to the public at this time.
Editorializing but feels like it narrows down the field a lot.
Bingbong
3d ago
I think a large chunk of it is that people on the Left of you are just more inherently sympathetic than the other way. I look at people on my left and I generally feel that they're misguided but generally either from an excess of empathy or just not understanding the tradeoffs involved. It's hard to genuinely want somebody dead when that's the perception.
Bingbong
3d ago
Right wingers tend to have more nuanced understandings of violence. Left circles it's either nothing or 10000000% full blast 5 minutes of hate upon approved targets such as Racists, whatever'phobes' are under the lens, MAGA or whatever. One's a childish black-white moral scope and the other's a bit more informed.
Bingbong
3d ago
Conservatives generally have a better understanding of the ramifications of violence, instead of the weird channeled Left tendency where 95% of groups are totally off-limits for wishing so much as a stubbed toe upon them and then absolute outlandish threats of violence on whatever the preferred boogeyman. Racism and Transphobia being held as the absolute worst things in the world (since they're approved targets), or the outpourings of deathwishes upon non-vaxxers
Bingbong
3d ago
I feel like media norms around sharing footage have loosened a bit. There was a recent machete attack in Melbourne, Australia a week or so ago and major news platforms had the video on autoplay when you clicked the article which really feels like something that wouldn't have been a thing a couple years back.
Bingbong
3d ago
This invites the question - are current generations more desensitised to violence than previous generations, or less?
Desensitized towards media violence, but violence that would have been essentially completely unnotable 100 years ago such as wife beating or random pub punch-ons stick out a lot more. I'm in my thirties and can't really remember the last meaningful unlawful violence I saw in person that wasn't essentially just direct escalation from sport into punches being thrown.
Bingbong
3d ago
Yeah still no real indication of who's going to lead the Dems apart from 'probably Newsome but nobody is superduper enthused about it'
Bingbong
3d ago
But to answer your question, I see nothing but condemnation from party leaders and influential people. What you're seeing is the screenshotting of some fringe nobodies for engagement.
Yeah but those fringe nobodies are getting hundreds of thousands of likes on their posts.
Bingbong
3d ago
I think at this point the issue is more the general response to the shooting than a question of who actually pulled the trigger. A pile of tweets with half a million likes is sufficiently indicative of the death of civil norms
Bingbong
4d ago
Yes the unhinged guy was deliberately gathering the literature of opposing parties in order to confuse potential biographers. AFAIK the main thing anybody associated was pro-Life, but not being on board with idpol doesn't necessarily inform the whole political thing.
His justification was that God Emperor Tim Walz called him and told him to take lives in his honor.
Bingbong
4d ago
I just think trying to parallel the two is asinine. The whole legislators story barely even lasted in the news since it wasn't compelling enough once they figured out the shooter was more of a crazy person and nobody particularly cared about the victims enough to generate that level of notability.
Bingbong
4d ago
Hard to imagine a Left-wing figure getting shot with this sort of reaction from the Right. There's just not anybody as strongly divisive enough, and being Left Wing is kind of 'inherently sympathetic' in the sense that you may not agree with them, but also it's hard to hate most Left-wing figures since it's a position originating from an excess of empathy.
Bingbong
4d ago
Yeah. He'd wandered a little bit off the company line but it's top-tier JOOS posting to suggest that he'd be assassinated for that. The Palestine-Israel nonsense has just broken so many brains in the political discourse sphere.
Bingbong
4d ago
The political violence gap is always going to be atleast partly tempered by the inherent divide in how people see people to the left of them and to the right of them, especially with the current polemic.
Most people on the Right see people to the left of them as overly empathetic but ultimately hearts in the right place despite an impractical belief on the allocation of scarce resources. I believe it's hard to find the motivation for political violence when you believe the other party simply cares too much, or has impractical views that are nonetheless downstream of that. Abortion is one of the few Leftward issues that generated meaningful Right Wing violence, since it's one of the few areas in which somebody on the Right could genuinely cultivate enough ill-feeling.
Bingbong
4d ago
The sheer obscurity of the Minnesotans plus the weirdness of the shooter's autobiography/having met them occasionally on all accounts create a different picture than trying to blast a Trump or w/e.
Bingbong
4d ago
Obviously the Kirk shooter hasn't been found yet and it's hard to predict where the shooter will land on the political spectrum. But the Minnesota shooter seemed more pro-life/random doomsday Christiany than hugely pro-Trump. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/14/us/politics/minnesota-shootings-gunman-suspect.html
Bingbong
4d ago
Based on my dad's telling, it was a combination of drink, gambling, covering for injured/elderly men and women, covering pawn shop debts since frequently the money would run low just before the husbands returned from the sea. There was also an expectation of low-grade neighborhood socialism and enough men died or were injured on the boats that there was a pretty constant flow of widows, orphans and the like. Also my dad was there for essentially a very particular social moment between the Second World War (half the town was still ruins from the Blitz for his childhood) and the obsolescence of the Northern fishing communities for a plethora of reasons a few decades later. Which also increased the pressure on neighborhood charity networks since there were less boats and therefore less men going out on them and making great money for the time and place.
I haven't made a deep sociological inquiry of it, and my dad first left the fishing town at 14 to go to military school and then completely left the country at about 30 without spending all that much time actually living there.
Fair but I just think of normie friends I know who have takes on say Palestine that essentially start and stop at 'I've heard of dead Palestinian babies, this is bad' and then don't have any sort of solution beyond Israel is mean and should stop. Whilst I think this is misguided, it's hard to be mad at them for it. Likewise for racial issues where due to the media 'racism is mean and is the worst thing' which is dumb but it's hard to get really violently mad over it.
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