Bingbong
41m ago
Never actually tried myself but I've got a few white male friends with Maths PHDs who've said vast majority of job openings are looking for people with more diversity points (and foreign born counts towards that) and the compensation is low enough it only really suits visa-desperates or ultra autists.
Also in my experience with Math PHDs a lot of them aren't really wired for the general workforce even if they've got unbelievable processing power. My high school ex's dad is a top tier Astrophysicist and has won a major prize for Astronomy but I wouldn't really trust him to do any job that requires particular lateral thinking and he's relatively sociable and flexible by the standards of his field. There is a certain filtering, especially these days, where only the most stubborn and pure-mathy are the ones who decide to pursue Academia (especially if they don't have good diversity points) in the first place and the ones with more lateral abilities drop off the curve when they realize how insanely difficult a slog it is to get consistent paychecks in Pure Math.
Bingbong
3d ago
I mean it depends but the most attractive Chinese phenotype tends to be the Northeastern and Midwestern areas.
Bingbong
4d ago
Yeah I mean a big chunk of the Arday situation was that it wasn't really worth anybody's while to go after him. Consequences were being sued/massive social cancelling for 'racism' and the only people who were directly competing for the same jobs and grants as him had to have a massive stack of diversity points and likely both internalized the system and wouldn't benefit from saying the emperor has no clothes.
I mean it's just a different conception of rape to a large degree.
What you can try to make stick today in the West is very different to what would work as a 'rape allegation' circa 1950. My current nannies come from a tribal society in deepest Indonesia where they've got a cultural ritual along the lines of 'unmarried women can be kidnapped (with vague tribal blessings) during a certain holiday week and obliged to marry their captor if they are above 23' which they regard with a shrug and a certain 'this is the way of things'. The sister of one of my nannies was kidnapped for 3 days recently as part of this, and they found it way more funny and 'ha well she had to get a husband somehow' and yet they can also watch a K-Drama about workplace romance stuff and find it totally culturally legible. The human mind is a fascinating place.
Bingbong
4d ago
Doing that 5 years ago or so would get you absolutely pilloried, so it even broadly being in the overton window is pretty significant.
Bingbong
5d ago
If a solid culturally-accepted arranged marriage market existed I'd definitely be interested in it. I met my wife through online dating but it was an almighty slog, and I'm not optimistic what the environment is like in 20 years or so when my kids are navigating it.
Bingbong
5d ago
Massive financial disparities and lack of normal dating culture probably changes the calculus a bit, too. I'd imagine the Jewish arranged marriage market would be stronger if half of the population still lived in Anatevka
Bingbong
5d ago
It's not like the Indians are forcing people at knifepoint to get married for the most part.
Just easier to form a large liquid market when you've got a far larger population to pull from for Indians since there'd be about 100 Indian-descent people in the world for each Jewish person.
Bingbong
6d ago
Even if you know the odds going in, if you're inebriated and have any outcome regret then Fanduel has Financially Raped you.
Bingbong
6d ago
Yeah. Sheer size of the Indian population and access to a hinterland of conservative women in the home country probably helps the system work, but it can't be that hard to work out something similar for other demos.
Bingbong
6d ago
AFAIK the Jews aren't quite as strong with it, though I think it depends on which particular geographic region you're in. I've got a Jewish friend who seemed to get kinda-setup with his now-girlfriend who's smart and I think considerably better than he'd achieve on the open dating app market, but I don't think it's as frank and mercantile as the Indian system.
Bingbong
6d ago
It's a good question. My guess is that the women who move to SF for love tend to be mercenary and guys get the ick.
I think it's more down to those women generally joining the hunt for the top tier of eligible bachelors and increasing the logjam instead of really meaningfully increasing the distribution of potential partners down the stack.
Bingbong
6d ago
The same man who strikes out in SF/Seattle goes to NYC and drowns in female affection. It's a well-known phenomenon. There is no magic soil in NYC that makes men less autistic.
Meh. They'd probably have a better shot in NYC than the West Coast but I'm skeptical that moderately cashed up Indian Product Manager with low-mid 7 figures in RSUs at a height of 5'4 is suddenly the alphadog of NYC
Bingbong
6d ago
Yeah. Seems a lot more targeted at stopping people airing intellectual Fetishes or 'Da Jews' posting than just preferring to contribute to certain types of conversations.
Bingbong
6d ago
I'm pretty sure on the aggregate the overly-pushy men are going to get more success than the overly-timid, anyways. Sure a certain amount will overstep lines and get pilloried, but also you miss every shot you don't take and more chance of finding somebody reasonably-agreeable to say yes if you just chronically go for it.
Bingbong
6d ago
Singapore isn't a great idea for finding a woman. Essentially same pool of people amongst Malaysian Chinese but less Western norms and Singaporean women have essentially all of the Western culture stuff going at full speed.
Bingbong
6d ago
They marry your women. Go look it up you can find plenty of that, if you can't you are probably shooting for too low of a country. Don't marry a fillipina or cambodian.
There's plenty of affluentish countries/social clades in Asia that are a great place to marry into (even a Filipina/Cambodian if you get a fairly-wealthy Expat Chinese the calculus is a lot different) and whilst AMWF seems to be slowly ticking up it's far from being an 'even trade' at this point.
Bingbong
6d ago
Second... Look, I'm not going to belabour passport bros thier options, but the idea that there exist places where I'd absolutely slay just because I'm white and American sounds absolutely ludicrious. I don't fucking beleive it. I suppose the only way to test this out would be to go over there, but, see point one.
I mean you're not necessarily teleporting to 10/10 but generic white male goes from being neutral in most Western countries to an active plus even in places in Asia where there's not a massive incentive to go passport hunting. Between exoticness, norms around height/gender roles being different etcetera.
A lot of the big successful revolutions were started off by the downwardly mobile and/or somewhat relatively-unsuccessful children of nobles, merchants and landlords. They had the education and the resources to dedicate themselves beyond subsistence, but also the motivation to take shots at the established order.
Suddenly the world has a lot of those.
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