Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
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Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
12hr ago
Close, but you’re way off. I think I’d describe it more as “Will you please just shut up and stop getting in the way of my enjoyment”. Sex with a conscious partner is like trying to watch a movie with someone who’s always interrupting: “Ooh can we rewind I liked that bit”, “Volume up please!”, “Want some popcorn?”; and I’m like do you mind I’m trying to concentrate. Being obliged to consider someone else’s watching preferences takes me right out of the zone.
Now, in fairness, sometimes you really are more interested in the watch party bantz than the watching itself. But not often.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
12hr ago
but you know that fetishes by definition are outside the norm, right?
Well that’s begging the question isn’t it? We are trying to puzzle out who are really the minority, those who see the unconscious woman as a gross RealDoll vs those who still see her as person.
would you actually do it to a woman who hadn't consented?
No, sure, but your previous post wasn’t complaining about the absence of consent, it was complaining about the absence of consciousness.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
12hr ago
I did indeed mean that it was great for me and she didn’t remember it. However, she’s a self-proclaimed sub, and so while she didn’t remember the act, the abstract knowledge of it has an enduring appeal.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2d ago
Although I think that if Weinstein or Epstein had been non-Jewish, the amount of mainstream attention would have been roughly the same. It's basically the fact that they are coded as elites, particularly white elites IMO.
I think the Jewishness means the Hard-Right pounds the drum harder, but if they were non-Jewish then the NGO-Left would pound the drum harder, so in the end it kinda balances out, yeah.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2d ago
墨子 discusses punishments for rape during the Warring States period, and various annals including 春秋左傳 and 詩經 describe rape in a decidedly disapproving manner.
Yeah but they disapprove because it soils the man’s qi, in a ‘this practice is not consistent with obviating temporal desire and attaining the Dao’ sort of way. That a woman is involved at all, let alone an unwilling one, is of no consequence - they’d complain just as much about a long goon session.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2d ago
The two parts of your statement do not logically synch up. If you don’t consider it an improvement, then you don’t see the appeal, because, by your own logic, it is not appealing (compared to the default).
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2d ago
To me, having sex with an unconscious woman would have pretty much zero appeal no matter how hot she is
I am a man who happens to have this fetish, and indeed I am a man who related this fetish to my gf, she thought it was hot, and we contrived some bs about our apartment being too close to a busy highway in order to get a doctor to prescribe heavy-duty sleeping pills that we could indulge this fetish. And it was great.
It’s the “doing another guy’s wife” and “doing a fugly old grandma” that confuses me about the appeal. Not the unconsciousness, which, indeed, is a distinct improvement over the vanilla sex act.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2d ago
This.
I notice that legacy media occasionally tries to push the story but there’s basically no social media take-up by anyone reading the news, because it gets (rightly) understood as categorised in a box of “Shit French people do”, not “Shit men do”.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
13d ago
My automatic answer to this is that debating with Twitterati is a fool’s errand; they are not there to honestly engage, they are there to farm upboats by calling you cringe, the only winning move is not to play. Better master debaters than I have tried to figure out how to “get around them just calling you ick” and none have succeeded. That’s why the place where we are currently exists: there is no solution to the problem other than going away to a different discussion forum.
However, in an effort to at least gesture in the direction of something, I think you can only fight fire with fire by (a) wresting control of the banhammer from their allies to your allies (thanks Elon), and (b) having more allies who’ll call them cringe than they have allies who’ll call you cringe.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
13d ago
For the record im not arguing that being against gay marriage would be "ok".
It’s okay, you can say that here.
But here is what i dont get - why are some issues less "up for debate"?
It’s literally just a rhetorical shaming technique to put their debate opponents on the defensive from the start. “If you hold this position you’re an icky person” is a schoolyard-tier tactic but on many normies it just works.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
20d ago
That people on the online right see this as "professional logistics" is deeply blackpilling for me
Exaggerating the competence / strength of your enemy benefits everyone. It makes your victory more heroic if you win and your defeat more forgivable if you lose, and your enemy won’t get mad at being portrayed as more badass than they actually were either.
This should blackpill you no more that Herodotus blackpills you for claiming that Xerxes’ army numbered a million men, and they drank the rivers dry and their marches caused earthquakes.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
20d ago
I agree with you that being an IRL Reddit anti-ICE protestor constitutes “shitting up the commons thinking life is a video game”, but I am simultaneously self-aware enough to realise that I only think this because it’s an objective I disagree with. If these were right-wing Reddit LARPers going out to help ICE round up foreigners then I’d consider it a heartening efflorescence of organic civic virtue.
As Dilos said of the Arcadians: brave amateurs, they do their part
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
21d ago
prominent former Shanghai capitalists who defected to the communists, the former Emperor
I remember reading years ago that Puyi’s survival seemed strange to Western observers at the time but the Chinese justification was something along the lines of “It is not surprising that capitalists and monarchists act like capitalists and monarchists, it’s just in their nature. No point executing them for being true to their class any more than you would execute a dog for licking its balls”.
With this logic of class-essentialism it is unsurprising that the grand-bourgeoise and literal royalty get ‘let off’ with re-education, while misbehaving peasants get the rope. The upper class were ‘inevitably’ acting in accordance with their class interests. But proletarian class traitors should have known better.
But importantly these aren't illegals which is what the whole discourse.
Well… no it isn’t. Illegal immigrants are only slightly worse than legal immigrants (their real crime being their undeserving capture of the fruits of my patrimony that my ancestors toiled to build for me), and I think that this is at least a large minority opinion amongst the pro-Wall set.
The problem is the Great Replacement; whether it is being perpetrated legally or illegally is just ACKSHUALLY-nitpicking.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
22d ago
are why immigration is mostly a non issue in Australia.
Didn’t you guys import like 20% of your population from China in the last 30 years and both your transport infrastructure and housing market are collapsing under the strain?
Is it not that immigration is objectively worse in terms of population-replacement in Australia, it’s just not a political issue because… Australians don’t have the self-preservation instincts that Americans do?
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
26d ago
Something like 2/3 of operating costs of public transit in the USA is labor costs. If you can replace most of those with AVs, you can…
…shift the beneficiaries of those labour costs from blue collar bus drivers to white collar robotics engineers and AI devs. Which will probably increase the labour costs overall but that’s good because now I might be the one getting paid.
It's wealth redistribution in exchange for political patronage and non-productive labor activity.
Yes, and?
I think even the proponents of UBI will admit that this is indeed the point. They might phrase it a little more positively - “We have broken the wheel of history and finally given each person the means to live unconditionally, no longer demanding their supplication to Capitalist Alienation. Of course the souls thus saved will vote eternally to maintain this utopia, and rightfully so” - but that is absolutely the point of the exercise, sure.
They might reasonably ask Y U Mad about it? Why wouldn’t / shouldn’t people vote to get something for nothing? This failure mode of democracy has been known all the way back since Plato.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
29d ago
OK, that’s fair evidence to the contrary. I guess my countersupposition would be that if you’re enough of a conformist normie to hold down a job you’re also enough of a conformist normie that your psyche recoils at the prospect of engaging in meatspace anti-regime violence. I’ve met plenty of employed keyboard warriors who make all the noises that they want to bash the fash, not many employed actual warriors who’d really go do it.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
30d ago
My suspicion is that all the folks with a predisposition to form pro-illegal-immigrant mobs are already unemployed, so UBI wouldn’t actually free up any more of them.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
1mo ago
But I guess from the 10,000 foot view, most should not be nearly as attentive to one lady being tragically gunned down when there's real, world-altering activity afoot somewhere else.
I disagree on both a practical and a philosophical level. I (predict that) I am never going to interact with a Venezuelan government official, and I don’t believe that geopolitical avalanches ever actually affect Western people’s lived experience on the ground that much. So what happens to one woman in American suburbia is in fact more relevant to me than what happens to one man in Caracas.
Neither of them are very relevant to me, but at least Good is actually sorta kinda in my reference class, and I can actually sorta kinda take actionable lessons from it (most importantly: don’t let my wife tell me how to drive)
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
1mo ago
I am dating a zoomer who thinks “Everyone should go to therapy regularly even if there are no specific problems, it’s just a health checkup for the brain!”. This means, apparently, both singles therapy and couples therapy. We have just the one female counsellor who serves all three roles (her individual sessions, my individual sessions, and the couples sessions). Which I’m sure must be a conflict of interest, but whatever, I go to indulge my adorable basket case of a zoomette, not to be the professional ethics police.
Sample size N=1, but I have absolutely found, as you suspected, that she is completely unable to empathise with the male perspective on anything.
If you do something with even the slightest economic value they will be all over you like a swarm of locusts.
Sure, but as anyone who has peered at the relative tax burdens of women and ethnic minorities in the US will know, people who produce economic value are a tiny, tiny segment of the population. Regimes that persecute a small number of people a lot > regimes that persecute a large number of people a little?
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
3mo ago
he's a rapist, or something damn close (creepy, awkward, and bad at sex)
Since when do those things make one “damn close” to a rapist?
what's the problem here? To society, a problem is only a problem if it's a problem for women. Women still get their stud guys who will fuck them, and their nice guys who will marry them
The left-liberal consensus is schizophrenic about pornography on a number of axes. Women producing it is good / empowering / entrepreneurial… but men consuming it is icky / pathetic / sexist, and you best not point out the logical contradiction in lauding suppliers while condemning consumers.
Scott wrote an article once about good personal evopsych behaviours in the ancestral environment (e.g. I shouldn’t marry a non-virgin woman because I’ll get STDs and questionable paternity) become enshrined as global cultural mores once civilization develops (e.g. all female purity is morally virtuous, even in women I have no intention of marrying, yay chivalry). My suspicion is that the low status of pornography consumption stems from a similar trajectory: (A) women don’t want their own mate-providers to abandon them for a younger prettier more fertile upstart, and this mutates over millenia into (B) a cultural more that coveting thy neighbours’ wife is morally wrong, and further into (C) that (any) male’s lust for anyone but their long term partner is evil, even if the man is an incel she personally would never touch, who doesn’t have a partner, and is lusting over a CGI woman who doesn't even exist.
The general heuristic is a lossy telephone-game from the actual evopsych concern, but false positives are better than false negatives from the XX POV.
You are basing this statement on what evidence?
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