Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
Disabled Alaskan Monarchist doomer
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Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
1d ago
Where the Traditionalist view fails now is answering what equally-unchosen duties and obligations apply to women, what mechanism is attempting to enforce their application to women, and what society's duties and obligations towards men are. The answers to those three questions seem to be a hat trick of "nothing," which makes the Traditionalist view less than compelling.
For the Fox News normie-con values of "Traditionalist," or the kinds of (now shrinking) church congregations Dalrock used to write about, sure.
But, yes, some real traditionalists, who have managed to resist the GOP-flavored version of feminism, do at least have answers for the first and third questions, even if, due to their small size, their enforcement mechanisms are limited (at least for now).
I've had similar thoughts about the sorts of opsec blunders reported in cases like this. (I'm reminded of /u/KulakRevolt's Substack piece on Mangione's many mistakes and how to avoid them.) And like some here note, I find it understandable that these men make such trivially-avoided mistakes, given that we aren't talking about the most rational, sober-minded people here.
But there's one simple phrase that makes me doubt that "causing mass death without inherently presenting yourself as a target of investigation" is simply as easy as "practicing even rudimentary opsec" — and that's "parallel construction."
Sure, in this, or any other particular case, the media narrative we're given for how the cops found them is probably true, and they probably did make the blunders described (again, not sane, rational sorts). But if "a lone man with a grudge against the world" was instead caught through some Three-Letter Agency's massive Fourth-Amendment-violating secret domestic surveillance program, that's not what we'd be told. No, we'll be given an alternative narrative of how this individual was found through perfectly-legal police methods, which would probably look something like, well, what we see in news reports in cases like this.
So, maybe your initial "try anonymously mass-shooting and you won't stay anonymous for long" position might still be true after all, just not for the same reason.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
2d ago
The answer the "Traditionalist" view, which I've outlined above, gives to these questions is perhaps best exemplified in comments by Fox News talking head Tomi Lahren, as covered in this Shoe0nHead video, particularly the bit she said on Piers Morgan's show, on the topic of what women owe men in return for their efforts (at about 15:17 in the linked video):
Tomi Lahren: And as a woman, I want a strong man who is a protector and a provider; that will go to war if need be; that will protect me, protect my family; make money.
But I don't think a man needs to "get something out of it" to be a manly man, a protector and a provider. If you think you—
Andrew Wilson [over her]: So, nothing. So you've got nothing.
Lahren: —need to get something out of it, I, quite frankly, don't consider you a real man.
It is your born duty as a male to work, suffer, and sacrifice for women, children, and society with absolutely no expectation of reward for it, simply because it's part of being a man, and if you don't do it, you're not a man.
In asserting this duty, Western traditions will tend to emphasize it being the will of God, or some such; East Asian ones will tend to put a bit more emphasis on owing it to the spirits of your ancestors. But in the end, they all reject the liberal/libertarian "pure individual," atomized and unbound by any obligation or duty not freely chosen. Instead, you are born in a particular place, a particular time, to a particular family, in a particular class, a particular nation, and, yes, with a particular sex. This unchosen role into which you are born comes with equally-unchosen duties and obligations to which one is bound. (Like the "filial piety" owed to your parents — even if you didn't choose them, and didn't choose to be born — recognized by pretty much every culture save the Modern West. Note, after all, that the first of the Ten Commandments involving one's duties to fellow human beings, as opposed to the earlier commandments covering one's duties to God and the sacred, is "honor thy father and thy mother.")
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
2d ago
Cities in the sunbelt are hiring.
Yes, but then you still have to start all over on building up that pension…
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
2d ago
Seeing the many replies downthread, I'm reminded of two video clips I saw on Youtube sometime back.
One was one of several "highlight reel" compilations of Nov. 2024 election night coverage by various left-wing outlets (watching them go from confidence to doubt to cope to crashing out is hilarious), this one an all-black online show. At one point, the low performance of Dems with young men comes up, and one of the older women points out "Well, what do we have to offer them, except increased economic opportunity for everyone who isn't them?" (IIRC, the response was a half-hearted 'well, the other side is so evil we shouldn't have to earn anyone's vote'-type argument.)
The other was a short clip Shoe0nHead played from a left-wing Youtuber. This was a skinny, very gay young white man, and he was stumbling over his words trying to assert, in the most unobtrusive way possible, that there's actually something to the "male loneliness epidemic" — at one point he says "I'm trying to think of how to say this so my own side won't murder me" — and then his female guest (it might have been Taylor Lorenz) responds with "Well, the whole problem with the 'male loneliness epidemic' [eyeroll] idea is that it's an idea that centers men and men's problems."
(I also recall other lefty streamers making post-election comments about how, if you're a straight white male, that yes, the Left hates you; yes, Dem policies probably hurt you; yes, you'll probably do better with Trump in office than you would with Harris… but none of that matters, you have to vote D anyway. The Left don't have to earn your vote, they don't have to do anything for you — they are the Good Guys, and thus entitled to your vote. You have a moral duty to 'vote blue, no matter who.' When people aren't voting for the Democrats, that's not the fault of the party, it's the fault of the electorate; the party doesn't need to change, the voters do.)
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
2d ago
What is a young man supposed to do when he's hobbled from the start by educational programs that favor women, college admissions that favor women, jobs programs and diversity mandates that favor women, and a general social environment that favors women?
"Man up" and overcome all the challenges that face him through masculine vigor and endurance, all with an uncomplaining stoic demeanor, or die trying? Recognize that he is the "disposable sex" who has to earn his personhood through deeds and through suffering?
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
2d ago
The Bible is special too. But Christians don't think we should ban the Bible in order to protect it. They think we should disseminate it as widely as possible precisely because it's sacred and it brings people into contact with the sacred.
Maybe Protestant Christians, perhaps, but I know plenty of Catholics, at least, who think the Bible should have been kept in Latin and read in whole only by priests.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
2d ago
They're gonna instead form a human wall against it because the dem apparatchik who 6 months ago was calling for their total defunding and disbandment tells em to?
Yes, because that apparatchik and his associates control their paychecks; and even more, their pensions. Just ask the cops. It doesn't matter how Red Tribe they are, or their own personal feelings, they'll do whatever they're told to if they have to in order to protect their oh-so-precious pensions.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
2d ago
What actually happens is the police decide they’d rather live to cash their paychecks than shoot at federal troops.
And if they're told that any officer who doesn't follow orders to shoot at federal troops will no longer have paychecks to cash, nor their precious, precious pension?
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
2d ago
If popular opinion is in line with Trump, then the votes should bestow enough power onto the Republicans to formally change the regulations.
"Should," according to a civics textbook model of how our "democracy" works, but, as we can see, it clearly doesn't. Yes that's "the whole point of a democracy," which is why its absence demonstrates that our "democracy" is a sham.
Capital_Room
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4d ago
If somebody doesn't like your party or its platform, then the problem can't be that your platform is lacking - it can only be that the person is unaware of how fantastic your platform really is.
Or, alternately, that the person is an evil Fascist bigot who hates all good things because they're so evil and hateful.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
4d ago
Well, according to the Anchorage School District, the top 5 languages after English (for K-12 students, as of 2023) are:
- Filipino
- Hmong
- Samoan
- Spanish
- Yu'pik
Presented in alphabetical order, not ranking. Based on an older Anchorage Daily News article from 2018 (which gave numbers, but had Korean in fifth place and Yu'pik a couple rungs down), the order should be:
- Spanish
- Hmong
- Samoan
- Filipino
- Yu'pik
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
6d ago
[Citation needed]
Blue culture has been winning for centuries.
I know you just look at raw birth rates and assume inevitable victory, but that's… well, I'll be charitable, and say "naïve." Because you ignore retention rates. It doesn't matter if some YEC Fundamentalist "quiverfull" family has a dozen kids, if only one stays with the church while the other eleven all apostatize and become Blue Tribe liberals. Then they're still shrinking — and birthing the future Blue Tribers the current Blue Tribers aren't as they go.
And the data I've seen all shows such poor retention rates pretty much across the board. All the "high fertility" Protestant denominations? Shrinking rapidly due to such effects. Even the Mormons are shrinking once you factor that in, with their above-replacement birthrates going toward producing more Tyler Robinsons.
Even the Amish, who do have high enough retention rates to still be growing, have been moderating. They're running out of available farmland for their farming methods, and are having to economically diversify, which is driving both greater contact with the "English" world and relaxing of tech restrictions — computer and cellphone use are both going up. And those high youth retention rates? Last I saw, they were going down.
And this is all without Blues taking even more active measures to suppress Red birthrates and increase Red-to-Blue assimilation. Expect the latter to go up when homeschooling is banned and Wisconsin v Yoder is overturned. Let alone doing like one of my therapists once argued for, and declaring raising children with "far-right beliefs" to be child abuse (remember the SSC comments comparing the Amish taking their kids out of school early to literally chopping their legs off?), and deploying CFS accordingly. It doesn't matter how many kids you have, once the government just takes them all from you and sends them off to be adopted by a polyamorous gay "throuple". (And then there's what they can do with mass migration from high-fertility parts of Africa.)
Master's tools, master's house. Set a thief to catch a thief. The Blues weaponized demography as a tool long before Reds ever could. They're more experienced at it, and better at it. Which also means they're better at preparing against it. (Is there any better cybersecurity expert than a former "black-hat" hacker? Who knows better how to secure his valuables than the world's greatest thief?)
We agree on a lot of things, but this is one of our biggest differences: you think outbreeding them will work. I don't.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
7d ago
You got a better plan for how the Red Tribe can utterly crush the Blue Tribe, and erase Blue culture from the face of the earth?
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
9d ago
It's a "government is sometimes held by my opponents" problem.
Which is best solved by an Augustus or Bonaparte, who can then go full Henry VIII (with maybe a little Qin Shi Huangdi) on academia.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
9d ago
Libya
Just a nitpick, but since when has northern Africa been considered part of "the Middle East"?
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
9d ago
Modernity is complex and confusing, I think Moldbug makes the point that plenty of people who would have been quite capable in historical situations struggle to function in their interactions with the modern state, modern employment market, modern social customs, subtext.
These people don’t deserve to be slaves. They have value as people, and in our materially abundant and prosperous society they should be supported in finding their happiness. But, in their interests and those of wider society, they shouldn’t be as free as us either.
Are you familiar with Chris Arnade's Dignity: Seeking Respect in Back Row America? Very good book on how modern society increasingly demands a particular variety of cognitive ability (that of the "front row of the classroom" types), and how too often, our proposed solutions for the "back row" people come down to more "education" in the hopes of somehow imbuing them with these abilities and turning them into "front row" types, rather than figuring out how to give them a dignified, less impoverished existence compatible with their capacities and inclinations. I found it really rather relatable, both with my own experiences and those of family members.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
13d ago
If you have a good majority (say 60%) of the citizens behind you, then you do not need to shoot at the feds, you can simply elect one of your own as the next president.
Except I'd argue that the past decade and change serve to illustrate why that doesn't work, because the president isn't actually in charge of the Executive any more (see basically everything MacIntyre talks about here, or this from Jim). FBI JTTF goes after the "domestic terrorists" it wants to, not the ones the President directs them at — as we saw when Bush the younger tried to redirect them from chasing specters of the Klan to Muslim jihadis.
Our democracy is a sham. It's as fake as pro wrestling.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
14d ago
Or, whichever local religious service seems most appealing to you.
None of them in my area seem to: not the Mexican cult; not the black Baptist church whose webpage advertises events by local Dem politicians; not the Lutheran church whose woman pastor's LinkedIn page has rainbow flags; and not the "you should already be Catholic before setting foot inside" Byzantine Catholic church. (The racist Islander Church appears to have moved or shut down.) None of them seem like they'd be welcoming environments for me (another problem with being a far-right atheist).
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
14d ago
I do not think it is going to work out well for Blue Tribe generally.
Why not? It's not like Red Tribe is going to do much more than whine about it, "vote harder," and hope that somehow, this time Left-captured enforcement agencies will start obeying orders from elected Republicans.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
14d ago
Yes, the problem isn't that the Left is violent, it's that we on the Right aren't.
and if the Right wants it to stop, it needs to realize the only way to do it is to use all the force they can bring in to handle it.
Yes. And by "all the force," I, for one, mean all the force.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
14d ago
Ah, thanks for explaining.
Looking at UAA's requirements, I don't meet them (my bachelor's is in physics, which means I fail the "Have completed a minimum of 6 credits in baccalaureate level Political Science (3 credits) and Descriptive/Inferential Statistics (3 credits) with a minimum grade of B" requirement).
Besides, I couldn't afford the tuition to go back to school (I can barely afford to keep myself housed and fed).
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
15d ago
Don’t you see the symmetry?
Even if I grant such symmetry (and I don't), why should I care? I mean, sure, the other tribe has a lot of the same attitudes to mine as I have toward them, and they can make arguments about my side comparable to the arguments we make about them. But there's one key difference that no amount of "symmetry" or "both sides" or "meta-level" argument can erase: one tribe is mine, and the other is my enemy.
I love my family not because they're "the best" on some abstract objective metric, but because they're my family. "Men did not love Rome because she was great. She was great because they had loved her," said G. K. Chesterton.
I want my side to win, and the other side to lose. It's just that simple.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
15d ago
If you're on the right
I'm probably too far to the right for the "normie" right-wing organizations.
If you're in a red area, you could try the MPA-to-government route
MPA? What does that stand for?
Agreed, and I'd totally support fixing them back up (reactionary Monarchist, here).
Because material comfort, electronic distractions, ersatz simulacra of success, etc. dull the rebellious spirits of the youth. Obesity, falling testosterone levels, and psychiatric drugs all suppress it further. Plus, peasant revolts have always failed outside of East Asia, and modern states have (or are gaining) various institutional and technological advantages that make them increasingly rebellion-proof.
Basically, all the same reasons Tyler Cowen gave in Average is Over for why we won't expect rebellion when 80% of the population, rendered economically superfluous by automation, are immiserated and packed into overcrowded favelas to subsist on beans.
Oh yes. This is indeed a recipe for the collapse of liberal civilization, with basically two possible outcomes depending on how well memetic transmission of modern Western views can be maintained.
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