Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
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Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
20d ago
is not really motivated by abstract, consistent moral logic. It's pure group identity
Yes actually. I care about my group identity. I don’t understand how this is supposed to be an argument against me
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
20d ago
Well brotha we can’t exactly “embrace individualism” so long as the RandomRangers of the world view us as part of a community. I don’t think you should be the kind of reflexive tribalist who defends whatever a black person does. That’s the kind of mindset that makes race relations and “our community” much worse. But the reason I’m invested in “the black community” is the simple fact that how ousiders perceive us as a collective DOES IN FACT affect US as individuals. They did not spare the “good blacks” the last time and I don’t want to have to rely on rolling the dice and hoping that they will the next.
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
21d ago
My question to you is what does "fighting" entail?
I'm saying that if /u/RandomRanger got his way and there was some "reawakening" in society where they agreed to "block" black people using state violence I would fight
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
21d ago
I (and many other "fucking white men" and "stale pale males" or whatever) sat through a lot worse during the earlier parts of the Culture War
I think Jim Crow is worse than DEI actually
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
21d ago
The last time I participated in this community I was in November. When as part of some discussion about how DnD had gone woke or something, /u/RandomRanger posted a very long comment where, to paraphrase, he said that black people were an inferior stupid race who bring crime and dysfunction wherever we go and that in order to stop the west from being "overrun" with blacks, white racists would need to "block" us in a way the didn't account for "international law" and "human rights". I replied calling him a cracker bitch and was temp-banned by the mods.
Now I know my outburst was against the rules, it was uncivil, I was reacting with anger, and I knew at the time I'd get banned for it. But I don't know, when I see someone essentially laying out a justification for bringing back slavery, how am I supposed to respond, as a black person? Am I expected to lay out some "well have you considered..."-ass intellectual rebuttal, Am I supposed to beg and plead for my own rights? "No sir, Please sir, I'm one of da good ones see!" I'm sorry but I don't have the patience for that
When made my first comment here where expressed profound distress over the possibly that HBD is real. I got a lot of responses along the lines of "well, what's it matter to you? you're an individual and population level statistics don't apply to you." I never thought that they applied to me. But when people in this community use HBD and crime statistics to argue that things Jim Crow and Apartheid were good and just and maybe should even be brought back THAT FUCKING AFFECTS ME. I'M BLACK
I remember another person asked me if I sincerely related to black underclass criminals and no I obviously don't but I relate to people like Toussaint Louverture, Malcolm X, Steve Biko. The intelligent black men who dedicated their lives to fighting the people who wanted to keep us in eternal subjugation for all the same goddamn reasons. And when I read what RandomRanger says about how society ought to forcefully disempower black people for the sake of having a "civilized" country. I'm reminded of the poem written by Claude McKay during Red Summer when white supremacists were terrorizing black people across America:
If we must die, let it be not like hogs Hunted and penned in an inglorious spot, While round us bark the mad and hungry dogs, Making their mock at our accursed lot.
If we must die, O let us nobly die, So that our precious blood may not be shed In vain; then even the monsters we defy Shall be constrained to honor us though dead!
O kinsmen! we must meet the common foe! Though far outnumbered let us show us brave And for their thousand blows deal one deathblow! What though before us lies the open grave?
Like men we'll face the murderous, cowardly pack, Pressed to the wall, dying, but fighting back!
So bring it on! I don't care if we won't win but I'll FIGHT LIKE HELL for my people and if I die I know I'll have died a proud black man who stood for dignity instead of cowering negro who submitted to slavery. I'LL NEVER BE ACCEPT BEING A SLAVE!!!
If society decides that it’s true and just for black people to be subjugated than I will struggle against it. Simple
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