How much does it cost us to bomb Iran forever? Do you want to pay that?
No, but Congress holds the power of the purse. If the Dems hold both houses, or even get enough Republicans to flip on the votes in question, they could defund the war. Literally attach riders to budget legislation saying no funds can be used in X region after Y date. There's a bunch of other things they could do like actually invoking the War Powers Act, repealing the AUMF, up to impeachment and removal, if they can find the supermajority for that. But defunding is probably the hard, structural counter to presidental authority here, and probably the easiest to do, funnily enough.
My reading of history explicitly tells me not to rely on the really, really dumb thing not happening. Most of the bits we think are exciting started because of exactly that happening.
I'd agree! I think if there is any lesson we should be learning from the new ubiquity of drones in warfare, and our own history of what actually won us the one real war we were tested in (WW2), it's that our weapons must be ruthlessly economically efficient. I don't really have an answer yet as to how you economically defend a target as big and vulnerable as a base or a ship from a remotely pilotable bomb that costs $20,000-$50,000, and is buildable in a garage.
The vast majority, by an order of magnitude, of what Iran is shooting at us is drones. Mostly Shahed variants. What we use to shoot it down depends on whether it's a boat or a land target, but at sea we're mostly using the SM-2 (approx. $2.1 million) and ESSM ($1.8 million). The workhorse for land is Patriot PAC-3 (approx. $3.7 million). That is a bad trade.
Cute.
Let me ask this a different way: if it were possible to have built a deliverable nuclear weapon within 6 months, why don't they already have one? They were off the JCPOA since Trump's first term. Or, hell, if we're to accept the Republican narrative, they were building a nuclear program the entire time they were on it. It's been 134 months since the JCPOA was signed, and 100 months since Trump backed out. You can pick either as the start date from when the Iranians began earnestly trying to build a nuke. You'll notice both are much longer than 6 months. Where are the nukes?
Or, would you argue that actually this is a process that takes years? That maybe it's a long research and development cycle, but Iran was finally getting near the end of it, and only timely action now (February) was enough to stop them from nuking Tel-Aviv or whatever by March. I believe the Netanyahu standard is about two weeks away. I mean, that's plausible. Except last summer, your dude told all of us that he had "completely and totally obliterated" iran's nuclear enrichment facilities. As he said: “We’re not at war with Iran … We destroyed the Iranian nuclear program … and we did it without endangering the lives of American pilots. That’s an incredible thing.”
So like... was he lying? Did he realize that actually he totally oversold it, and Iran's way better at building a nuclear program despite being bombed than he thought, and now we have to start a whole regional war that does get our people and lots of others killed to actually do the job he told us he did? And if that's the case, and it turns out you can spool up an entire, imminently-deliverable-bomb-producing nuclear weapons program in less than a year from "complete obliteration", I ask you again, where are all their nukes? They've had years and years of being unconstrained by our bombs or our diplomacy, and seemingly nothing to show for all their very, very active work trying to build a bomb all these many long years. North Korea managed it with an economy ten times smaller, a famine, and literally nothing that resembles Iran's scientific corpus. Where's the bombs that they should have been producing all this time, if they were actually trying to do so, like your ilk keep telling me?
Iran will never produce a nuclear weapon. Here is a very simple proof: since Iran would win by producing a nuclear weapon, and Iran has not produced a nuclear weapon, they can’t do it. They’ve had six months and failed.
How long do you think it takes to make a nuclear weapon?
Why are you in such a hurry?
Because every day we burn multi-million dollar missiles and interceptors to shoot down or blow up the launchers of weapons that cost tens of thousands or, at most, hundreds of thousands of dollars. I don't want to pay to throw weapons we'd need to defend Taiwan into the trash for the possibility of some distant payoff. Every single day this dynamic continues is a day Iran gets the best of us attritionally.
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See, I'm not convinced that was going to be a problem until this war. Nor am I convinced the only way to avoid it is by committing ourselves to yet another forever war in the Middle East over WMDs that are nebulously always an imminent threat, justifying the wars of choice that the people who start them wanted all along.
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