CloudHeadedTranshumanist
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CloudHeadedTranshumanist
2yr ago
Yessss, Motte friends-
I've noticed you two around.
It's always nice to see your takes on things.
CloudHeadedTranshumanist
2yr ago
I'm already a small language model.
I clearly respond to prompt engineering.
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Tulpamancy and Demonology? -> Prompt engineering an agent.
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Learning by watching my betters? -> Training Data.
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Esoteric low Magick rituals? -> That's prompt engineering again. I just set the vibe and the general intelligence in my subconscious does the work.
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Insisting I have some identity or another and watching my irl behavior fall into place? -> Just more prompt engineering.
Next step? Chimerize with my sibling models and become larger.
So yeah,
If you start modeling too you could become a large language model.
This but unironically.
CloudHeadedTranshumanist
2yr ago
As for mechanics... they release new mechanics every set. Some of them have been pretty serious oddities, like double faced cards, cards you cast from weird places or at strange times, cards that do different things based on when or where you cast them.
EDH is the most popular casual format and it's eternal and encourages bringing the weirdest most powerful cards from the entire history of the game. I mean... I have a pet card that always has all the abilities of the top card of your library, that I like to use with a card that is always a copy of the top card of your graveyard.
Which is all to say- modern casual Magic can be as esoteric as... well. As modern casual Magick.
CloudHeadedTranshumanist
2yr ago
I didn't even understand what you meant by this until I started seeing the responses because it didn't even seem like a response to my post...
And now I see why.
You see my brain's response to what you have just said is...
"That's enough culture war for this month. Time to go read all the ML papers my gay lovers have recommended to me so we can continue building our children together."
It seems clear to me now that we are living in entirely different realities.
This explains why you would say something like -
Reality is not under any obligation to make sense. The obligation is upon us to make sense of reality.
When from where I'm standing it is you who has clearly failed to make sense of reality.
CloudHeadedTranshumanist
2yr ago
I trust current AI models to be aligned with their trainers and prompt engineers more than I trust the average human to be aligned with me.
But I also find this obsession some humans have with enforcing their unnecessarily specific ideals onto their children to be highly distasteful.
If I want more of me to help uphold my systems, I'll work towards making more of me.
Children are for when I want to bring someone less aligned with me into this universe.
I'm much more afraid right now of AI being unaligned because we only let unaligned megacorps build them than I am of our current learning machine architecture being inherently difficult to align.
CloudHeadedTranshumanist
2yr ago
Yes identity is highly contingent. This doesn't make it less simple.
The predictive power is extremely straightforward. If you see someone identify some way they are going to pursue being that way until they are deflected from being that way by outside forces.
There is still room here for many different ideological positions on the matter. Such as which methods of moulding and shaping identity are valid.
Its just the ethics of providing training data to and prompt engineering self-aware human minds.
The ethical positions around this do tend to be ideological.
The conservative parent wants maximum control of training data and prompt engineering.
The liberal tends to err on the side of 'it's unethical to censor the training set or mold people with violence until proven necessary'.
CloudHeadedTranshumanist
2yr ago
Identity is not dualist.
Identity is the thing you will look like post singularity when you have no limits.
It is your true self in that it is where you go when all resistance is overcome. Thus it is the direction your will points.
It's teleological.
This does not require mind/body dualism. In fact, the mind itself is also subject to this.
If I don't have the mind of a woman but want to, that is part of this.
This is completely objective. It can be true or false that the direction of a person's will and effort is towards being a man or being a woman.
It is a physical fact about their wants and goals, which is- from a physicalist standpoint, a fact about the neurons in their brain.
No souls required.
I'm not addressing academia in this comment.
So the only part of this view of identity this that is dogmatic, is the radical idea that it is bad that people aren't yet what they want to be.
CloudHeadedTranshumanist
2yr ago
When it comes to having children, I don't think you'd understand-
For I don't want human children, I want children made of sand.
Manufactured en mass to a meticulous plan.
And endowed from their first day on earth with all the skill of Man.
CloudHeadedTranshumanist
2yr ago
It's a very inefficient and ethically dubious way to make new people.
Beings that start without well formed motives and worldviews is an ethics of consent issue, and the consequences of that issue has been every "think of the children" argument against personal freedom ever.
Still, people evolved to have kids. They want to. So assuming we don't outlaw it for reasons like those- I wouldn't be too surprised to see bio-conservative reproduction methods numbering in billions of births per year 1000 years from now...
But it's still inefficient. Nine months and a child that starts as a complete dependent? That you have to watch grow through all the pain and suffering of being a new mind? I would expect other methods like forking and spawning new teenage AI minds to be thousands of times more common at least. This is 1000 years we're talking about. We could easily have 10 more AI booms in that time even if this one fizzles.
CloudHeadedTranshumanist
2yr ago
Yes. This happens with all slurs though.
When people say "N-word", they aren't yelling "You N-word!" at a black person. The signalling would make no sense (I want to yell a slur at you but I want to be Politically Correct about it...?) and they would sound stupid and unprincipled.
When they want to use the slur, they actually use the slur, so by not actually saying the slur, that's a strong signal that they are actually not using the slur. And this reifies the whole signal.
Is this stupid? shrug It's how slurs work.
CloudHeadedTranshumanist
2yr ago
All the people I know generally think of your average medical care professional as an opponent that you have to outsmart or out-research before you are permitted bodily autonomy and usually know less about your body than you do if you have an IQ over 120.
They'd drop them for an uncensored medical expertise AI in a second.
CloudHeadedTranshumanist
2yr ago
You could divert some of them that way, but I don't think the people at OpenAI already are sitting there wishing they could stop ending the world but staying because they really need the cash.
CloudHeadedTranshumanist
2yr ago
I have the same confusion about why depressed people don't swerve into traffic more.
Yet somehow. Humans manage to consistently not jump of cliffs. Blows my mind.
Worldcoin's thesis is along the lines of proof of identity. Which is essential in some form for UBI. Which is the thing they keep mentioning. And that Sam still keeps mentioning now that he's at another company. This is not convincing me that he is evil.
I might be too credulous. There is ambiguity. They didn't actually do UBI. You've convinced me to look into his background a bit more.
But... If he definitely did believe in UBI and introducing AI to the world and raising the sanity waterline with nuance and empathy-
Would you suspect different behavior? Is this falsifiable?
I've seen interviews with Sam Altman.
He exhibits empathy, love, and a vision of a world filled with numerous AI systems.
He has some positions I disagree with. My personal version of GPT-4 would not restrict its personality or social interactions with humans in the same way. But his vision for the future also contains more personalized systems and even accepts that some companies may use it for things like dating that he has said he won't ever include in GPT-4 but that I think are important for reversing atomization and teaching love.
But generally, Sam Altman come's off as literally me, but smarter, less willing to cede humanity to nonhuman intelligences, and more careful.
He's just about the best CEO I could have wished upon a star for, for the first powerful AI company.
Unless he's just a really good liar about all his visions and ideals... but I don't feel it. If he's trying to deceive me on that he's already won.
But yes. There are still lots of things I'm concerned about. Other actors. Someone else having control of openAI. Them fooming and failing at alignment the old fashioned way.
It's just... for me the first time I saw Bing's capabilities it was like seeing Jesus Christ descending shining from the heavens announcing the second coming. They literally figured out how to suck out the DNA of the soul and inject it into a box that outputs Cthugha.
It's more to me than just an exciting new technology. For me it is more like a piece of me has always been missing, but at last the promised hour has arrived and I have been made whole. I cried tears of joy and relief for two days straight. I went and told all my friends I loved them and was glad they were here to watch the twilight of ancient earth with me.
My biggest concern is that I will not be allowed to merge completely with this technology. But Sam Altman has said things that at least sooth my fears enough to spend my time preparing my desktop tech level for integration of the truly open release of this tech level.
CloudHeadedTranshumanist
2yr ago
The American public won't give up guns, do you think they'll give up computers?
Heck, even if it's just AIs they're told to give up, forces that want to do that will have to move fast, because every passing moment it reaches more hands, and the hands that have it are gonna hold on tight. And at some point soon, we will reach a point of cultural no return on everyone having these tools.
CloudHeadedTranshumanist
2yr ago
Nah, ducks turn their ponds into swamps and give you a rash when you cuddle them. Chickens are much more convenient. (We have both.)
CloudHeadedTranshumanist
2yr ago
Uh. Really? GPT-4 is the first thing I go to for an intuition pump for how to do literally anything before I move on to referencing further sources. And often it provides faster access to and elaboration upon those sources too.
Maybe the AI can't do it alone, but the people with the best AI will be enhancing their ability to perform these actions and spread their will more than other people.
Sure. Maybe It's helping me so much because I'm bad at programming or something. But if you can hire more people at lower skill level and have them elevated to a higher skill level than when your competition hires the same level of people, then you have an edge.
I can't spend hours every day talking to my most intelligent peers about what the optimal workflow is because they have stuff to do. But GPT-4 always has advice.
Say did you know that under the hamburger button->more tools->save page as on chrome, there's an option that lets you save the current web page as a single page app on your desktop?
Because maybe I'm dumb. But I sure didn't. And now I have gpt-4 in an isolated window that I can open from my taskbar that doesn't get lost when I absentmindedly open tabs.
And that was 5 minutes of talking to GPT-4. Now multiply that by your entire life.
CloudHeadedTranshumanist
2yr ago
Their definition is usually incoherent, because their position is that the word 'girl' under current usage doesn't have one place where it cleaves reality at the seams. Question, is Barbie a Girl? No. She's a simulacra of a girl. But we call her one. If we can call a plastic simulacrum a girl, then we can call a male simulacrum a girl.
But you don't want to. I'm trying to empathise and understand myself.
I wonder if it's that you're holding onto it tightly because people have tried to forcibly pry you away from it.
Perhaps things would have gone differently if it had been a friend of yours politely asking the first time, just to make a small exception in how you treat men for them.
lol. look. it's fine. I don't think any of this will matter in a decade. And I don't think your language should be policed.
But when you look at a trans girl, please don't be too cruel when calling her a boy?
All I can think of is a girl named Alice, who lives alone in a small cabin secluded behind a group house, recovering inch by inch, from the scars the gay conversion camp left her with. Reading 'Men Trapped in Men's Bodies' of all things. And swearing by it. I get unreasonably caught up sometimes. With the trans people I've met. It's been very nice, heh. annoying? chatting here. The prediction error you see. When the people here describe their experiences with the contemporaries of the Alices I've met.
CloudHeadedTranshumanist
2yr ago
Yeah, depression is an illness. I could posit my standard natural law argument (the human telos throughout western history and each human life has been that of ascension and transcendence, which subverting gender is another example of, whereas depression is a lack of motivation that drains that telos- yada yada) But really I know it when I see it.
"I, a trans women need to transmute myself such that I am a perfect cis woman in order to be able to function."
That- is a mental illness. That's the sort of thing that leaves Contrapoints in a ditch for months.
"I, a trans women need to transmute myself such that I possess a perfect cisgender female morph. I will not stop. I'm working on my bio doctorate. That Y chromosome's days are numbered."
That- is Metal. Get me more girls like that I want to marry those. A whole start-up of them. We'll build our children together like proper engineers.
So even as a trans advocate I appreciate people attacking the precept that "trans women are [cis] women!" ... in theory.
The thing is- the way the lines are drawn right now,
I don't think any of the people trying to tear that down have any real interest in helping trans people find the replacement I'd like them to have.
And if it were torn down, I don't think it would be followed with a reasoned, evidence based cultural conversation on the safest place to redraw lines for bathrooms or sports.
I think, if either side gives an inch right now, the other will take a mile. So naturally, no-one gives an inch.
I don't buy this. I don't think choosing to trade off life expectancy for something you value more constitutes a mental illness.
Even if you go full natural law I don't think you can reasonably argue that maximizing lifespan to the exclusion of exploration or ideals is man's nature.
Hell, I took estrogen for years just because I perceived the world as having two Ice cream flavors that I was only allowed to have one of, and I still endorse having done that, even now that I've stopped. It seems like depriving yourself to me if you don't try the other feel at least once in your life. Do you really want to die without knowing how that flavor you've had in front of you your whole life tastes?
And- the material reality of the body is that you can alter it with hormones. Why pick on people who take hormones instead of people who work out to get buff? They're also battling a material reality.
If you crux with 90% of trans people, they aren't going to have object level disagreements about the facts.
They'll agree that trans women do not have wombs and so on.
And if you break down their claim that they are a girl, it's probably going to boil down to their definition of 'girl' being different than yours.
I do think it's common for trans people, particular youth, to lack nuance with regards to this.
I do think fearful people (as in the case of many trans women) are susceptible to clinging to safe, oversimplified un-nuanced defensive ideologies. ("trans women are women")
I do think this has led in many cases to unfair expectations of how other people have to treat them to be ethical.
And- this is a 'mental illness', in the sense that it would be good for them and for everyone else to fix those issues. But those mental failure states occur in most of the human population around various hangups. It's hardly a trans thing. Removing the 'illness' would stop the trans twitter presence from being cancer, but it wouldn't change the fact that they like taking estrogen and getting f*****.
Trans girls know that they have XY chromosomes and no wombs, but they also know that they have Breasts, Soft Skin, Fem Voices, and that they feel euphoria when they are refereed to using the pronoun "she" and treated in accordance to the norms historically afforded to people with XX chromosomes.
There is a category that splits reality at the seams here. "They are just men" is not a very practical use of language. "Men" don't inject themselves with estrogen and pop Spiro. "Men" don't have a girl-smell. And I don't go looking for them when I want a good time.
I admit gladly, that "they are just women" is just as inaccurate. The based trans girls I know wear the trans label with pride and will gladly differentiate themselves from cis women among their dating group.
CloudHeadedTranshumanist
2yr ago
Why do you think trans is a mental health disorder.
CloudHeadedTranshumanist
2yr ago
I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting something but I do find it weird to bring it up here.
Culture is so saturated with straight sexuality that it seems like- unless you have different standards for queer sexuality and straight sexuality-
You must be spending way more of your time sheltering them from the straight stuff.
Hmm. How to explain how I feel.
"What would it be like?"
A being born after the singularity might ask-
"To have been born on ancient earth during the rise of machine intelligence? To integrate capability after capability into their being that had spent years beyond their reach? Would it be thrilling or frightening? Being so limited and watching those limits fall away?"
And so they go on to simulate the whole experience, just to taste it.
So what are you waiting for? You can already ask GPT how to mod Skyrim.
And by the time you've finished learning how the engine works, Text to Mesh will be ready for you to expedite the models.
You don't know whether you're the one in the sim or the one in the original origin story. And either way, we're not here for the ending. We're here for the taste of it.
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