Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
I am actively attempting to deradicalize myself. I dislike puritanism and intolerance. DM me if you want my Discord, Twitter, Reddit, etc.
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Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
Do you think that immigration from more intelligent and educated people would be beneficial in the fight against wokeism? I fear that education in this country is indoctrination, so it just makes the problem worse.
Also, what's PMC?
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
I understand. I used to read VDare daily. But must the Democrats always be woke? Couldn't changing demographics also change the party?
The main recruiting tactic of white nationalists majoritarians is to argue that wokeness is being fueled by America's increasing diversity and, therefore, decreasing diversity will decrease wokeness. I used to believe that, but at some point I realized that the drivers of wokeness are affluent whites and Asians, not Hispanic immigrants. This doesn't mean that Hispanics are opposed to wokeness, but rather, that even if the white share of the population stopped declining, wokeness would continue marching through the institutions.
I've believed this for a couple years now, so I don't care about immigration as much as I did during Trumpmania. However, is there any reason to believe that increased Hispanic immigration would help combat wokeness? I understand that most Hispanics vote Democrat and likely always will, but one can vote for them for reasons unrelated to wokeness, and wokeness could be a dividing line for the party at some point. We already saw signs of that with the "Bernie Bro" discourse.
(Wokeness, for the purposes of this and any other post I make, is defined as the belief that any disparate outcome between groups is the self-evident result of systemic oppression and, therefore, must be counteracted. Other terms often used to describe this ideology are "social justice", "identity politics", "neo-Marxism", "post-modern neo-Marxism", "Critical Race Theory", "disparate impact", "anti-racism", "intersectionality", and "intersectional feminism". One of the weird quirks of this ideological movement is that anytime its opponents start addressing it by name, its proponents abandon that name and switch to a new one. This makes it almost impossible for anyone to discuss the ideology; it's hard to discuss something without a name. I've settled on wokeness.)
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
His argument is that these are all policies created and promoted by Jews. I've heard leftists say that opposition to abortion and transgender kids is anti-Semitic, and Alt-Hype is saying "yes, actually, opposition to everything you dislike is opposition to Jews."
Clarification about my post: When I said I've heard this many times from extremists, I mean in actual conversation with them. This is just a rare example of someone putting it into writing.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
I see progressives as people who think racism, sexism, and transphobia are big problems in society and that these threats manifest as colorblind systems of oppression, rather than individual choices. They think we live in a white supremacist patriarchy, as evidenced by differences in outcomes, and that part of dismantling the white supremacist patriarchy is using fewer microaggressions. Nobody uses the word "microaggressions" there anymore, but the underlying idea that toxic attitudes and phrases can contribute to a culture that justifies violence against women or minorities is still there.
Well-meaning progressives are people who actually believe this and don't cynically parrot it because it's what people in their social circle do. I think that because they truly believe that one must be careful with language to avoid supporting systems of oppression, they could be convinced that referring to globalism as a Jewish dogwhistle is as bigger deal than saying "you guys".
But maybe they already have been.
I think that when some people hear "[X negative trait] is a dogwhistle for [Y group]" enough times, they say to themselves, "I guess I hate [Y group], because I hate [X negative trait] and it's associated with [Y group]". I've heard this sentiment many times before from extremists, and I haven't seen anyone write about it other than Andrew Anglin of the Daily Stormer (I don't have a link on me), and, more recently, Alternative Hypothesis. It could be them working backwards to justify their own animosity using words that are "straight from the horse's mouth", but I think this idea isn't given enough consideration by people who aren't white nationalists. This surely does happen to some people. The question is, is it a big enough problem to warrant less calling out of dogwhistling?
I don't like dogwhistle discourse anyway, so my opinion on this is colored by that. I'd just like to hear what other people think. If I'm onto something, then maybe well-meaning progressives could and should be convinced to be more cautious when accusing someone of dogwhistling.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
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Is the search not working for anyone else? "Ohio" gets no results.
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How do you do spoiler tags on this site?
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I haven't heard any news about Ohio recently. I was hoping we'd know how bad the situation is by now. Is there any reason to be optimistic? I have friends and family in Cleveland and Columbus.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
It's unclear to me whether they're taking the original versions out of print or not. I'm fine with a censored version being available for purchase, so long as the originals are too. Maybe they could slap a warning label on them, like the Looney Tunes Golden Collections.
If these versions are the only ones that are going to be available, then that's disturbing. This is worse than just removing the books from print. It feels like rewriting history. There needs to at least be a note inside that this isn't Dahl's original artistic vision.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
I am puzzled by people who do not think that sex-segregated bathrooms or sports teams are sexist. I want to be charitable, but I can't help but think that anyone who would deny that these things are sexist is someone who uses the term to mean "things that discriminate based on sex in ways that I don't like," rather than "things that discriminate based on sex, regardless of whether I consider them good or bad." People using words inconsistently has always caused me mild stress, but it causes me severe stress when the words are used inconsistently for the sole reason that people want to avoid negative connotations; this robs the words of their taxonomical usefulness while maintaining their moral power. I've spent a lot of time defending myself and other people from accusations of racism because I'm insecure and I don't want more reasons to hate myself, and I wish I could just noy care, and the only way I can prevent myself from caring is by using a value-neutral definition that doesn't have any moral judgements attached. Then if someone calls me racist, I don't have to have an existential crisis and spiral into depression, and instead I can just calmly assess whether the label is accurate and not care whether it is or not.
I read a Vox article about Amy Wax recently, and it was emotionally uplifting for me because of how surprisingly free of hatred and hostility it was. I don't think the person writing it likes racism, but they were talking about Amy Wax like a person with ideas that could be correct or incorrect, rather than someone who has done bad things and must be morally judged. This passage in particular excited me.
Wax vehemently denies being racist, and takes umbrage at that word being used. What’s unclear is what beliefs or attitudes the word “racist” denotes to Wax that she doesn’t hold. If one believes, as she has said she does, that Black people are cognitively deficient to other groups for likely genetic reasons, that Northern European people have an objectively better culture than any other group, that America is better off with fewer Asians, what word ought we use?
This person isn't saying "Of course you're racist, because you're bad, and vice versa." They're speaking of taxonomy instead of moral judgements. I find that beautiful.
Forgive me if I'm being less than coherent. Things that make me emotional tend to also make me less articulate.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
Right. I'm not making a moral argument here, but I am making a taxonomical one. Even if one thinks that locker rooms and domestic abuse shelters should discriminate on the basis of gender and not on the basis of sex, the two are obviously different. If normies don't distinguish between the two, then either they're all bisexual or have strong cognitive dissonance.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
Love your username.
Information about racial disparities in crime is only useful if you're trying to combat the claim that racial disparities in incarceration is due to systemic racism. For that purpose, this information isn't useless, but it doesn't do anything that the broader "13/52" stat doesn't already do.
I forget whether I already posted this, but it occurred to me recently that it may be more accurate to say that J.K. Rowling, and perhaps TERFs in general, are sexist than to say that they're transphobic. Rowling supports the right of people to dress however they like and receive whatever medical intervention they desire. She uses preferred pronouns in polite company. But she wants spaces to exist that discriminate based on biological sex, without taking someone's gender identity or expression into account. The term for sex-based discrimination is sexism.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
I thought of your comment when I saw these heartless cretins celebrate somebody's suicide because he walked around holding a torch and said some offensive things.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
I understand why people are bothered by JK Rowling's political views, but from my perspective, she is taking action that we consider welcome in a liberal society: speaking her mind and lobbying for politicians/policies she wants. I would be bothered if Peter Ramsey was donating money to people who want to create hate speech laws in the United States, but I wouldn't be nearly as upset as I am by his vocal support of mob violence and doxing. Mob violence is literally illegal for reasons that you'd think would be obvious to an educated black man. Doxing isn't illegal, but life ruination in response to legally protected speech still comes off as a violation of liberal principles.
I can easily say that I object to Ramsey's encouragement of political violence on meta-level grounds, but when I object to his support of doxing, am I objecting on a meta-level principle, or an object-level one? I don't know. What I do know is that I'm not objecting to boycotting as a strategy, I just don't think Rowling warrants it to the extent that someone who is opposed to liberalism and supportive of criminal violence does. Maybe she still does warrant it. But definitely not as much.
In response to the second paragraph, I mean, it's normal for people to support some kinds of violence in their heart of hearts, but we used to have strong norms against it that prevented people from saying it out loud. The idea that people can say it out loud with no repercussion frightens me.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
To my knowledge, it was all one constant framerate as literally projected. Animation usually holds drawings/renderings for more than one frame, and when the framerate went up, that just meant that the rendered images weren't being held for as many frams.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
Oh my god, you've made me realize something. Rightists often talk about white privilege as though it's the rhetoric of original sin, but it ISN'T original sin, because original sin implies nobody is absolved, doesn't it? That we are all born racist/sexist/ableist/etc and we shouldn't cast the first stone?
I have limited exposure to religious people so I don't know if they were less harsh towards their enemies when they were in power. I just assumed that they were, and that any ideological faction that gains power becomes like this, because power corrupts people.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
It's actually rather difficult for me to interpret anything written before the 20th century. I read A Christmas Carol for the first time recently after becoming familiar with the story through its various adaptations, and while it was written less than 200 years ago, I still feel like there's stuff I missed. I do see your point, though, and I appreciate all of the advice in this post. God bless The Motte, or whatever the secular equivalent is.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
You make a good point. This is a totally psychological phenomenon based on the perception that I, personally, am being threatened by Peter Ramsey, whereas I am not a child living in the third world. Looking at it like that, I'm being petty selfish.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
Fair enough. I do closer to the soyjak Nintendo Switch Funko Pop archetype than any conservative archetype. I just happen to hold classical liberal principles and a mid-00's sense of humor, both of which put me at odds with the modern left. I mean, Elon Musk is considered right-wing now, man.
Is there any work of art or fiction that it wouldn't be embarrassing for me to be interested in?
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
It's sad, then, that Peter Ramsey's comments only get a Bounding into Comics headline. The conservative media sucks.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
This is an excellent post. Thank you for sharing this information with me.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
Wait, really? I thought Into the Spider-Verse was, if anything, surprisingly conservative and not reflective of Ramsey's beliefs, but I am pretty obviously not as right-wing as you, so my standards for what's "too left-wing" are gonna be different.
https://www.themotte.org/post/349/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/64050?context=8#context
I just explained it in a different reply, so I'll link to that here.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
Being openly violent wasn't a "liberal" thing until recently, so far as I know.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
What's weird is, I've never had this problem with "woke" movies. I even thought the 2016 Ghostbusters remake was an okay, but largely forgettable comedy movie. I've seen TV shows that have obnoxious messaging forced into them, but not movies. In fact, the messaging of Into the Spider-Verse was, by the standards of POC-centered media, surprisingly conservative. I don't think spoiler tags work on The Motte the way they do on Reddit, so stop reading now if you care about spoilers for this movie.
! Miles's dad is a cop, and he wants his son to be responsible, but Miles prefers the relaxed attitude of his semi-estranged uncle, who takes him to do graffiti at the subway stop after closing. Miles later finds out that his uncle is a professional hitman, and it's implied that the falling out his father and uncle had led to his uncle getting deeper and deeper into the criminal lifestyle. Miles convinces his uncle to quit, and in response, he's killed by his boss, the most powerful gangster in the city. Miles makes up with his father at the end of the movie and they make a "Rest in Power" memorial for their lost family member. <!
It's anti-criminality, respects the police as an institution, and even says that people who've done bad things can always redeem themselves and become better.. which, funnily enough, is something one of the movie's directors doesn't believe, at least not when applied to his outgroup.
Actually, now that I've typed this, I did think of one thing that bothered me politically in a recent movie, and that was in Spielberg's remake of West Side Story. I loved it and it was one of the best movies of 2021, but they took the tomboy character, Anybody's, and made her into a transgender man. I'm fine with trans people existing and being represented in movies, but this tomboy erasure is frustrating. It's as if they're saying, "you can't be a tomboy, you have to be a transgender man or a butch lesbian." I wish they wouldn't do that.
Wokeness is most obviously disadvantageous to whites, but it's also disadvantageous to Asians and Indians, even if they're currently too indoctrinated by the culture of the upper class to realize it. And while Hispanics can certainly benefit from wokeness, I think it's possible that their lack of white guilt will allow them to see right through the black race-hustling. The issue, as I see it, isn't that these groups won't object to wokeness, but rather, that they'll continue voting Democrat in spite of their objections to wokeness. And as true as this may be, it doesn't mean that they can't change the party.. right?
But maybe I'm just working backwards to reach a conclusion I'm comfortable with. I was a white whatever-you-want-to-call-it for years, and I've been actively trying to deradicalize myself from the Great Replacement stuff because being a white nationalist has been psychologically damaging for me, not to mention an intellectual dead end. (I like Bryan Caplan, but his book on open borders doesn't seem to acknowledge the wokeness problem.)
It's actually weird to me how many white nationalists and sympathizers there are here, considering I got banned from the Discord linked in the sidebar of this website for, in large part, being a white nationalist who's impervious to criticisms of white nationalism. Not that I'm not making any sort of value judgement. I don't think holding those views makes a person morally inferior, and I think they're more reasonable than a lot of a lot of views that are considered mainstream. I'm just surprised.
(I am defining "white nationalist" as the way normies define it. There's an interesting phenomenon where, to most people, wanting to maintain a de facto white majority in the United States makes you a white nationalist, but the only people who call themselves white nationalists are people who want to start a de jure white ethnostate, usually someplace in Europe. VDare vehemently denies being a white nationalist website, but everyone outside the website says that it is one.)
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