Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
I am actively attempting to deradicalize myself. I dislike puritanism and intolerance. DM me if you want my Discord, Twitter, Reddit, etc.
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Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
My understanding is that the people running media companies like Disney are apolitical and respond to market incentives, because I can't imagine people who place politics first would get that far in the business world. Therefore, I have a hard time believing that the number of people outraged by Carano or Roseanne is so insignificant that it makes no difference, since, evidently, it did.
This is getting off-track, though. Walterodim's advice for how I should approach things is still good. I just don't know if it's true that most people act this way.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
If that's what most people do, why did Gina Carano (for example) get screwed over? Is it just pre-emptive striking from execs who respond to headlines?
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
I love this post and am going to reread it whenever I need to remind myself to not judge people by their worst behaviors. Thank you.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
I could still have this problem with adult media. Are you saying my enjoyment of things like Spider-Verse cripples my emotional development?
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
Yeah, I'll concede that my problem is entirely psychological.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
Good idea. I wasn't sure this would work with 3D, but upon reflection, I could find a 3D movie showing at the same time to get my glasses.
Into the Spider-Verse was my favorite movie of 2018. I only found out this year that one of the film's directors was someone whose values are antithetical to everything I believe and as harmful to me as ideas can be. I knew he wasn't returning to direct the sequel, so I thought that meant I could go see it without feeling shame, but I just found out (again, surprisingly late) that he's an Executive Producer on it. This likely means he gets a share of the box office gross, though I don't know how big that share would be.
This presents an e̶t̶h̶i̶c̶a̶l̶ psychological dilemma that feels as though it's ethical for me. This is one of the few movies where seeing it in the theater is very important to me, and I do feel that I'd be missing out by seeing it on my tiny laptop screen several months after release. However, I would feel emasculated if I gave this person any more money than I already have. Is there a way I can have my cake and eat it too here?
I know it's unlikely that anyone here has a better idea "than stop giving a crap about what filmmakers believe," but I'm asking anyway, just in case. There's nobody else on the internet where I'd expect people to be sympathetic to my problem in a way that's more than superficial. Left-wing spaces (as I've experienced them) would say "you should only care about political violence and life ruination if you're the kind of person we'd be using it against," and right-wing spaces (as I've experienced them) would say "these tactics are actually good and we should use them against left-wingers when we're in power" after making fun of me for liking children's movies. I do not mean to imply all left-dominated or right-dominated spaces are like the ones I describe, but that's my expectation of them based on experience, and it's always demoralizing to get those kinds of reactions, so I don't want to go seek them out.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
Thank you.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
I was sent this tweet which claims that the majority of Republicans voted against an offer to spend billions in border protection. This goes against my understanding of the GOP. Am I missing some context that would explain this?
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
Oh. What is the academic meaning of dehumanization? The most literal interpretation would be that it's denying someone's status as human, but that's not what happens. Like, the German didn't literally believe that Jews were rats in the clip you posted, but he was comparing them to rats as a heinous metaphor.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
I was trying to say that the woman in this scenario is justified if, and only if, the man is following her and won't leave her alone despite her requests.
I'm trying to say that there's a spectrum of behavior that has violence against people you disagree with on the most extreme end. You can call this spectrum murderism, or dehumanition, or whatever, but I think it's fair to consider them all part of the same phenomenon. That's the entire concept behind racism, homophobia, and so on. I'm just expanding it more broadly.
And yes, lynchings and genocide and so forth are hardly new phenomenons. Doesn't make them acceptable. They are so terrifying that I want to make them as rare as possible.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
I know that slavery was integral to the economy of the southern states, but when people say "slavery built America", it seems like they're implying that it was integral to the northern states, too. My biases, which I am actively seeking to counteract, tell me that anyone who says slavery built America is ignoring history.. but y'know, I don't actually know that much about history. I just remember learning in high school that the southern economy was agricultural and sustained by unpaid labor, while the north wasn't agricultural and didn't have any financial need for slavery.
How important was slavery to the north, financially speaking? If the textile factories weren't able to get cotton from the south, would they have ceased to be, or would they have just gotten cotton elsewhere? (Like from overseas?)
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
If the obnoxious drunk is following you, despite your repeated requests to be left alone, then he is invading your personal space and implicitly threatening you, making it okay to slap him in self-defense. Punching someone who is not invading your space or violating your rights in any way is not comparable, and doing so is actually a violation of their rights. To deny someone their rights is to dehumanize them. You are treating them as though they are not human.
Merely saying that somebody should be physically assaulted isn't the same thing as assaulting them, but it is still a form of dehumanization, and it precedes the literal violence.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
Have you seen Being John Malkovich? The central plot device is the same as that in Get Out, but the themes of the film are different.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
I saw Get Out and loved it. I don't think what I got out of it is the same as what everyone else got out of it, judging by other peoples' reactions to it and even what other people have directly told me, but I did love it. I should see the other movies you've mentioned. Thank you.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
You're absolutely right. I was being inarticulate. The accusation of bigotry, itself, is not dehumanization. The dehumanization comes when you say that because someone is a bigot, it's okay to "punch" them. That their rights, the rights that are supposed to extend to all of humanity, no longer exist. The trigger word they usually use is "Nazi," and they expand the definition of that term enough to include wrongthinkers of all races and religions. That's the most extreme example, but even it is frighteningly common.
I don't think Archie Bunker wouldn't be tolerated in today's world. While he was absolutely portrayed as in the wrong, he was also tolerated, even loved. Today, people like that are not deserving of tolerance. They get "cancelled." It's like.. you know how in the 00's, some Christians had a "love the sinner, hate the sin" attitude towards homosexuality, while others didn't want to let gay people anywhere near them? Leftists used to be analogous to the former, hating problematic attitudes while still loving people who possessed them. Now they're the latter. Or at least, that's how I perceive the situation.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
It occurred to me recently that while I've seen a great many shows/movies/etc about prejudice/tribalism/bigotry/etc, none of them reflect the kind of dynamics I've seen in the culture war. The closest things I've seen were The Hunt, a completely non-allegorical satire of current day social dynamics, and "The Great Divide," a filler episode of Avatar: The Last Airbender. It's hard to identify what phenomena I want reflected in this kind of story, but one of the most distinct aspects of our current polarization is how the dominant tribe justifies its antipathy towards the opposing tribe by accusing it of bigotry. Dehumanization isn't unusual, but dehumanizing people by accusing them of dehumanization seems novel. Or at least, novel enough that I haven't seen it outside of a South Park episode (The Death Camp of Tolerance) that treated the concept as inherently absurd because, at the time the episode was made, it still seemed outside the realm of possibility.
Do you guys know any good works of fiction that depict bigotry similar to that we've seen in America over the past decade? I don't necessarily mean stories where one group accuses the other of being bigoted. Just anything that leaps out to you as similar.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
I am actively looking, but I may not be doing so the right way.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
I'm not religious and I do not have the ability to support, nor any desire to have children. But I see your point.
Wait, can I visit a Hillel if I'm not in school?
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
I have no desire for the woman I'm with to be a virgin, but I suppose that I'd rather she not have high standards for sex, because I'm not sure I could satisfy her.
I don't have much to add in response, but I am grateful for every person who's replied to me so far. This is useful input and I appreciate it.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
I'm a 27 year old kissless virgin. Part of the reason that I'm a kissless virgin may be that I want to find love and lose my virginity to the person I love, rather than have casual sex for the sake of it
My friend says women can tell if someone is a virgin, and that to wash off the figurative virgin smell, I should go have casual sex with women.
Assuming, for the moment, that I can achieve that with ease, is there any evidence that women can tell that a man is a virgin? How would they do so? Is a lack of confidence just being conflated with virginity here?
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
I like how A Christmas Carol has so many adaptations that interpret the story in different ways. I wish there were more stories that were adapted that often. My two favorites are the Robert Zemeckis mocap film (which is great at making you feel the horror that Scrooge feels) and the Muppets one (which is the most heartwarming one).
I wonder if Great Gatsby is gonna get a ton of well-liked adaptations, now that it's public domain, or if it's just going to have one or two that people like and a bunch that are forgotten.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
You know what? That's completely reasonable. I appreciate your take.
Conservautism
Doubly Afraid of Change
2yr ago
I think part of the lore is that people fixate on the fake conspiracies instead of the real ones. Flat earth is, in-universe, a psy-op created to prevent people from learning about the secret world under the Earth's surface.
Most people didn't have motion sickness or anything like that. I didn't. But I am sorry that you did.
Most of the movie is at a lower framerate than the typical animated feature, but then it speeds up during the action sequences, making them more exciting by comparison. Anime already does this for budgetary reasons (they can't afford non-stop full animation, so they put most of the effort into the action sequences). Spider-Verse is just the first CGI Hollywood pic to do it. I don't know how much money, if any, it saved, but stylistically it was cool. Puss in Boots: The Last Wish recently did the inverse: most of the movie moved like normal, but then the action sequences played with framerates.
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