DeepNeuralNetwork
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DeepNeuralNetwork
6hr ago
I doubt they get that many apps from the top percentile. Top percentile is probably top 25% or more at a quant firm.
DeepNeuralNetwork
6hr ago
How successful do you think a firm that only hires people between the 98th and 99th percentile would be?
DeepNeuralNetwork
7hr ago
Do you think hiring is the only factor in firm profitability?
DeepNeuralNetwork
8hr ago
It is not. What makes you think it's disingenuous?
DeepNeuralNetwork
8hr ago
It's silly to think the correlation between hiring competence and profit is 1. Or even over .70.
DeepNeuralNetwork
10hr ago
I need money to start a family and grad school isn't relevant to the job. I really don't believe my competitors are top 1% among HYPSM people on a valid measure. I think a competent firm would interview me based on my credential and my test scores and claimed knowledge. If they don't, they're probably some mixture of incompetent (they're bad at interpreting signals: they don't know what high test scores mean, and overweight brand name, which is really bad from a psychometric POV) or, to be honest, racist. Is it a coincidence these firms seem to value stereotypically Asian signals? Why don't they have killer quant firms in China if math competitions are such a good predictor of performance? Is it any different than only recruiting smart men who were pretty good at rugby or lacrosse? Why don't they do that instead? I mean, it certainly signals something.
DeepNeuralNetwork
11hr ago
You're putting words in the GP's mouth.
No, he insulted my pedigree by insinuating I don't have one. If you look up the definition of pedigree, it's an insult to blood. I'm sure he meant school but that's almost as bad, especially by repurposing that word.
They use ruthless high-pass filters before they begin to read resumes.
Ruthless or just incompetent? If test scores aren't a part of your "ruthless" filter, you're just doing DEI for striver kids at that point.
Pedigree, prestige, track record....call it what you want, they serve the purpose of bringing a 100k applications down to a digestible hundred that are worth looking at.
So they are just lazy and incompetent? Maybe I don't want to work with them then.
So a white Christian whose religion tells him that lending money and working with derivatives is a sin ?
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2025%3A14-30&version=ESV
The paths are well defined. if #1 isn't for you, then do #2. If not #2, then idk what's left.
Is it really this bad? I can try to kind of do 2 but I'm not going to do anything I don't enjoy that isn't profitable. I kind of assumed a smaller form with some competent, legacy American hiring managers would be smart enough to interpret my résumé correctly.
DeepNeuralNetwork
11hr ago
It's not a risk, they're just incompetent at their hiring role and are committing illegal hiring discrimination at that point.
DeepNeuralNetwork
12hr ago
That is exactly what you would say if the AoC were 21 and I wanted to lower it to 18.
DeepNeuralNetwork
12hr ago
I don't just have a CS degree, I had a top 1% GPA which should already put my educational achievement on par with many HYPSM students. I also have several 99th percentile test scores, which even further separates me from the median at my university and puts me on par with HYPSM students.
DeepNeuralNetwork
12hr ago
So should his parents go to jail if they don't give him a curfew? What if his cougar lover takes a more leading role in his life instead of acting like an equal?
DeepNeuralNetwork
12hr ago
Good idea, was trying to get into the practical side before trying to get hired too. I was looking at Kalshi actually but traditional assets also.
Why is it trolling, where am I disingenuous at? Does this not seem like a genuine reaction to being told that I'm not allowed to work a job I think I'd be good at because I don't have the right certificate from Princeton? That none of my education counted towards that, even though I know my stuff?
I think maybe you never heard rebellious thoughts towards the HYPSM hierarchy before and that's why it comes off as trolling. But that's a legacy fact from when they were nice places, they had fair admissions, and there was no internet so they did gatekeep knowledge. I'm just on the younger side, and you'll be hearing this kind of thing increasingly frequently from my generation. Many of us are done with considering those schools pedigree. Their admissions aren't fair, their students are no longer brilliant, we're not impressed by strivers, and they're not affordable to the middle and upper middle class. We won't hire on them, we won't target them, and we will continue voting for Trump style disruption to them, because a ton of us got screwed by their DEI admissions when we were teenagers and we're not going to let foreigners take our nice jobs that we're intelligent enough to do because we were priced out or raced out of "pedigree" schools in the 2010s and 2020s.
Dude, I've never worked in quant finance. The use of "pedigree" was just short hand for "You should probably have at least an MS in Quant Finance from Baruch / Princeton / Etc. if not a PhD in something applied math related." It had nothing to do with, like, bloodlines. Chill, Bro.
Degrees are subjective and I feel like I have enough degrees and that someone with a different degree is not superior to me, in intelligence or job ability. Implying I don't have pedigree and they do can easily be interpreted as insulting my educational attainment, at the very least.
Prove it. Solve hard math problems and post your process for doing so online.
Problem sets aren't really useful or relevant to the job, personally I wouldn't hire based on that and that's why I'm also not a fan of math competition. I was thinking of trying to get published in statistics journals, though.
What else are you asking for? That the hiring managers at quant funds call you up unprompted and ask you politely to show them how smart you are?
A fair evaluation of my signals, which should be enough for an interview, and a fair, unbiased, interview process, which I believe would reveal I'm at least at the median of their new hires.
Stop whining.
That's not whining. Stop saying I'm whining. It's rude.
Understand the world for what it is, not for how you think it should be
Efficient doesn't mean "should," it describes a set of properties a market can have. Economists often presume markets have these properties, and that there are good outcomes when they do, but I never even said it "should" be efficient. I just said if it's efficient, then I would get a job. I don't know how efficient it is.
These jobs are heavily PEDIGREE and NETWORK driven. You don't have the pedigree
Again, stop insulting my educational attainment, my preferred intellectuals hobbies, and/or my race.
there should be a job for me and my smart me brain
I never said "should," I just said I know I'm at least as equipped for the job as some new hires I've chatted with, but they expressed concern about bias in the hiring market for a specific type of résumé, which gives me inefficiency concerns, therefore leading me to question if I should bother trying to enter even though I'm confident I can do the job.
DeepNeuralNetwork
14hr ago
If you got the age of consent up to 21 and I said it should be 18, you would say the same thing. That means you object not to the ability of the median person of that age to consent, but rather the idea of trying to make young women more available, even if that isn't a particular speaker's goal. In other words, your objection to discussing this topic is age invariant. But this objection precludes optimization of the age of consent, since you can talk about raising it, but never lowering it, no matter where it is at the moment.
Calling your route (I assume) "pedigree" and my route "backdoor" triggers me, but thanks for the comment nonetheless. Here's why. The dictionary doesn't even reflect the new definition I see emerging online. It says:
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the record of descent of an animal, showing it to be pure-bred. "they are looking for animals with pedigrees"
a pure-bred animal.
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the recorded ancestry or lineage of a person or family. "with a pedigree equal to many of the gentry"
So you're saying you're superior to me by blood, essentially. And yes, I know it's a metaphor, but let's be real, those that call math competition "pedigree" are almost all a different race than I, so it smacks of racial supremacy. What's even funnier is that I'm a Legacy American and it's racial supremacy for a different race that just got here. I have responded before that I have the actual pedigree, only to be told I can't prove it because all of my signals have been ruined by, well, people with superior pedigree.
Anyway, sorry for the TMI. I just figured I'd preempt other pedigree comments, since I've seen it all over X and already had this opinion formed.
Also I've chatted with self-declared people with "pedigree" that are less qualified for the job than me, but they're in the field. Yes they have a Putnam score at MIT, but I seem at least as intelligent and I know more of the math relevant to the topic than them. So in an efficient market, there would be a job for me.
DeepNeuralNetwork
15hr ago
Quant supposedly requires mathematical ability; LLMs currently suck at this but are good at JS. I think that's because math is higher on the intelligence hierarchy. AI will automate the most accessible laptop jobs first, because they have the simplest logic and the biggest training sets.
DeepNeuralNetwork
16hr ago
How many would press the button if they had to get the mind of a woman? Which men who aren't already interesting in gay marriage like makeup, clothes shopping, crying about their feelings, and skin care?
DeepNeuralNetwork
16hr ago
Is it worth trying to get into quantitative finance? My background is a CS degree from an okay university, which I went to for financial reasons (scholarship) even though I was accepted to Stanford. I just think my current JavaScript job isn't utilizing my intelligence fully and it's hurting my income, plus it's not as robust against AI as I would like. I currently use Codex extremely heavily and recently I almost never have to write code by hand, I just prompt. I've self-taught statistical theory to the master's level and I'm currently self-studying measure theory and stochastic calculus for quantitative finance. However, I've been told by one insider that many firms only want to hire people who did the Putnam or USAMO which I am too late for; never did these because I had no interest, although I think I would have done okay enough to get hired if I had studied as much as the median good performer. Should I keep aiming for quantitative finance or try to go all-in on coding instead?
DeepNeuralNetwork
16hr ago
While I agree that teenage boys can be immature compared to adult men, I don't understand how sex with a woman is supposed to be traumatizing. If we're not valuing virginity at marriage, then what is the problem with age gap sex, as long as there's no pregnancy or STDs?
DeepNeuralNetwork
16hr ago
This assumes you don't believe 15-year-olds impregnated by older men are "negative externalities."
Not true, but you must weight it against other issues. It's rare and not that harmful even when 15 year old girls have sex, so it's not the dominating factor.
Your mathematical approach assumes a spherical and symmetrical world, which sexual relations surely is not.
It does not; While I'm asserting equality, you could easily be explicit and quantitative and state how much more you weight the feelings of girls over men. What's your weight? 1.5x? 2x? 3x?
DeepNeuralNetwork
17hr ago
can you understand that this would have been illegal even if she were 76? this has nothing to do with the age of consent because she did not consent.
She's not "old and used up", we married a few months ago and I will never leave her no matter how old we get.
DeepNeuralNetwork
1d ago
The problem is that libertarianism is a fundamentally lazy attempt to systematize and plan social structure. The problem with this plan for children is that parents are adapted to maximize their childrens' fertility. Understanding how exactly this works gets into a ton of math and science very quickly, and that's where the NAP writer checks out.
Relevant means that it boosts job performance. It's a disctinct concept from a desired hiring signal.
I don't have to say it directly if they're smart enough to understand test results. I'm beginning to think this whole quant thing is a DEI program for foreign swots, the way actual intelligence is belittled in exchange for inferior signals that are easier for foreign swots to get and game.
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