Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
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Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
25d ago
Blacks already resent whites. If blacks insist on equality of result as a condition for ending their resentment, they (and white people) are just going to have to deal with the resentment.
They have not, and will not, simply "just deal with the resentment", as evidenced by all of American race relations since Reconstruction.
Widespread acceptance of HBD among whites is unlikely to lead to genocide of blacks, and certainly not of East Asians.
You're right writ. East Asians, hence my qualifier "in varying degrees". But towards other non-whites, and especially towards blacks, the argument put forth by Teddy Roosevelt (and in my linked comment above) is simply correct, and by extension blacks are correct in doing everything in their power to hold back the day when acceptance of HBD reaches critical mass among whites.
"Whether the whites won the land by treaty, by armed conquest, or, as was actually the case, by a mixture of both, mattered comparatively little so long as the land was won. It was all-important that it should be won, for the benefit of civilization and in the interests of mankind. It is indeed a warped, perverse, and silly morality which would forbid a course of conquest that has turned whole continents into the seats of mighty and flourishing civilized nations. [...] it is of incalculable importance that America, Australia, and Siberia should pass out of the hands of their red, black, and yellow aboriginal owners, and become the heritage of the dominant world races."
- Theodore Roosevelt, The Winning Of The West
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
25d ago
In fairness, I admit that the exact phrasing of "treated as a slave race" is too extreme. Still, any real measures to address black dysfunction would necessarily entail the solidification of disproportionate outcomes between whites and blacks, which would inevitably fuel the resentment towards whites that has burned in the heart of the black man since 1619.
but I believe the HBD types believe that blacks actually make terrible slaves.
Aww, you ruined the surprise - I was building up to that. But yes, the widespread acceptance of HBD among whites is an existential threat to blacks, and in varying degrees to all non-whites.
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
25d ago
The logic presented in his comment also justifies the mass disenfranchisement of blacks
It might, or it might not, depending on many other factors.
Any other factors in question are contingent on the truth of HBD, which I assume you and I are in agreement on.
"Implicitly" means a completely different thing than "explicitly", and your argument is nowhere near as strong if you meant the former. Reacting aggressively before determining what he said was true, is actually giving more strength to that argument than he did.
RandomRanger's argument is sound, I don't dispute that. Before I elaborate further, I'd like to know: what do you think my argument is?
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
25d ago
Yes, it is good - for Whites. I do not dispute the facts of HBD, I simply note that the interests of the White man and the Black man are fundamentally at odds. I hope dearly it is not so, but this is the only conclusion I can draw.
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
25d ago
Arguing over semantics does you no good. The logic presented in his comment also justifies the mass disenfranchisement of blacks ("as to minimize their deleterious effects on national politics"), their segregation from whites in public spaces ("to spare whites from their criminality"), and the banning of interracial relationships ("to not pollute the white gene pool"), just as any Southerner would understand how to keep the blacks in their place.
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
25d ago
On the books, its possible, in practice DEI actually held back far more people with potential.
The harm from Jim Crow was largely not from the suppression of Black talent, but in the message it sent to the Black man - that even after he was freed, he was still the White man's strict social inferior.
We have waited for more than 340 years for our constitutional and God given rights. The nations of Asia and Africa are moving with jetlike speed toward gaining political independence, but we still creep at horse and buggy pace toward gaining a cup of coffee at a lunch counter. Perhaps it is easy for those who have never felt the stinging darts of segregation to say, "Wait." But when you have seen vicious mobs lynch your mothers and fathers at will and drown your sisters and brothers at whim; when you have seen hate filled policemen curse, kick and even kill your black brothers and sisters; when you see the vast majority of your twenty million Negro brothers smothering in an airtight cage of poverty in the midst of an affluent society; when you suddenly find your tongue twisted and your speech stammering as you seek to explain to your six year old daughter why she can't go to the public amusement park that has just been advertised on television, and see tears welling up in her eyes when she is told that Funtown is closed to colored children, and see ominous clouds of inferiority beginning to form in her little mental sky, and see her beginning to distort her personality by developing an unconscious bitterness toward white people; when you have to concoct an answer for a five year old son who is asking: "Daddy, why do white people treat colored people so mean?"; when you take a cross county drive and find it necessary to sleep night after night in the uncomfortable corners of your automobile because no motel will accept you; when you are humiliated day in and day out by nagging signs reading "white" and "colored"; when your first name becomes "nigger," your middle name becomes "boy" (however old you are) and your last name becomes "John," and your wife and mother are never given the respected title "Mrs."; when you are harried by day and haunted by night by the fact that you are a Negro, living constantly at tiptoe stance, never quite knowing what to expect next, and are plagued with inner fears and outer resentments; when you are forever fighting a degenerating sense of "nobodiness"-- then you will understand why we find it difficult to wait.
- Martin Luther King Jr., Letter From A Birmingham Jail
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
25d ago
Did you read the second linked comment? He pretty explicitly advocates for the barring of blacks from public office.
Consider a thought experiment - what if all the politicians and powerful officials in America had to be black? Give it 20 years for the effects to settle. What do you expect the outcome would be in terms of performance? Would it look more like a high performance country (Japan, Switzerland) or a low performance country like South Africa? [...] Now consider the reverse. All the politicians and powerful officials in America have to be non-black. Give it 20 years. Would the outcome be better than the alternate? Is the US really losing much by banning them from office? All that would happen is some rioting, which can be quickly and easily put down with a little effort.
Eupraxia
most true was that which went unsaid
25d ago
Therefore actually being friendly with White people may in some way be the best option for you. Even if that may hurt your ego.
As I explained earlier, the humiliation is the grievance. Blacks don't have to be enslaved to be treated as a slave race, which is the necessary conclusion of HBD-inspired right-wing thought.
No race scientist worth their calipers claims that environmental factors have absolutely no effect. IIRC, the consensus from twin studies is that intelligence is ~80% heritable, though also note that much of the remaining 20% is due to non-shared environmental effects which are likely near impossible to modify via environmental enrichment.
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