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				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 16, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Actually Iran being able to lay waste in 1500 miles is the best argument for dealing with them once and for all.




So you're going to support military action to wipe out the rogue Israeli regime and their undeclared nuclear arsenal, right? Israel is capable of causing even more damage to the region and the world, so naturally you'd support dealing with them once and for all to an even stronger degree, no? They've even made explicit threats to do so (google the Samson option), which is actually more than Iran has done.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 16, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


the destruction of Israel would invite a metric arse-load of bad karma




I think it is extremely telling that this is the level of argument you have to make to support this war or the pro-Zionist position. Israel and America's interests are deeply opposed here, and to pretend otherwise forces you to descend to this honestly laughable standard of argument.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 9, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


What's the value in discussion with someone who is going to blame the Jews every time?




If someone was criticising the actions of the Nazi regime, would you discount their critiques on the basis that there is no value in discussion with someone who is going to blame the Germans every time? How many people in the upper echelons of the Israeli government, with the ability and authority to make serious decisions, are not Jewish?




However some of the posters here are clearly just angry, hateful, and blinded by some sort of intense and specific dislike that will never make sense to me and is clearly objectively irrational despite being historically common.




What, exactly, is irrational about Coffee Enjoyer's post? Are you going to deny that Israel has nuclear weapons? Are you going to deny that they have, in the past, engaged in both espionage and direct attacks on the US? The most significant intelligence theft in US history (at least to my knowledge) was committed by an Israeli spy, Jonathan Pollard.




I've never had any significant interaction with anti-semites in person or in real life prior to this conflict and I now get while growing up the Jewish people I know just automatically assumed anyone who was anti-Israel was anti-semitic.




The kind of low-intelligence antisemitism that you're describing, the kind that belongs to people who just look for some kind of external force they can blame for the problems in their life so they don't have to do anything about, have always existed and will always exist. If it wasn't the Jews it would be the Feminists or the Man or the Illuminati etc. Those people aren't worth talking to, but I'd argue that it isn't the specific target of that kind of mental pathology that distinguishes them.


But you're doing your own thinking a great disservice by shoving every single person with an antipathy towards Israel into that rather cramped box. Have you paid any attention to the recent conflict or the actions Israel has actually taken in the Middle East? Do you think the family of Rachel Corrie are motivated by an "objectively irrational" dislike when they criticise the state of Israel? As someone on the left I can assure you that most people who criticise Israel in my circles have a gigantic list of incredibly specific grievances and problems they have with the state of Israel, and it is in fact the state of Israel which goes out of its way to conflate all criticism of it with criticism of Jews in general, and plenty of prominent organisations do the same (like the ADL).


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 9, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
What a coincidence! I too find people who post on the topic of Israel to be incapable of rational discussion because they fail to agree with me and my obviously correct points - just with the opposite political valence to you.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 9, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
What does that have to do with the point I was making? I'm very confident that a Christian, Jewish or Taoist nation would engage in violent warfare in response to those provocations.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 9, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


If Iran has the ability to "destroy the global economy" whenever they want then this conflict was coming sooner or later because the rest of the world actually can't afford to cede that power to a rogue state. It's actually the most rational war in the world.




Almost everyone has the ability to destroy the global economy. If you think that's the criteria required, you're saying that we have to go invade and destroy Israel, China, Russia, the US, etc. Iran is just the only state that has been sanctioned and removed from the global economy to the point that it won't actually have nasty consequences for them - the actual rational response is to not sanction them into oblivion so they have some skin in the game.




No no no you're not understanding how war works. War is not America plays pretend. If there's an oil pipeline somewhere that allows Iran to hold out forever -- America will bomb it!




America has not bombed that oil pipeline nor have they seized Iranian tankers - they can't afford to deprive the world of even more oil supplies.




The only reason America hasn't done that already is our charity.




Why isn't the Strait of Hormuz open? I thought America was done playing pretend, so why haven't they won yet? Hegseth is on TV talking about no quarter, no mercy and no more pesky rules against bombing schoolchildren, and yet Iran still controls the Strait.




If the only two alternatives are "Iran wrecks the Global Economy" or "The Global Economy wrecks Iran," which do we think Donald Trump is picking?




Those aren't the only two alternatives - though admittedly "The US empire's decline accelerates as they're forced out of the Middle East" isn't an option Trump is willing to pick either.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 9, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
(3) Iran's leadership has prioritized building a nuclear bomb.


Israel has built a nuclear arsenal already, has been relentlessly attacking their neighbours and other countries in the area and openly proclaimed their desire to become a regional and/or global power (see Netanyahu's recent comments) - does this actually justify launching attacks against the Israeli regime?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 9, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Comparing gdp to Thailand seems a bit much, yea? Thailand isn’t run by religious nutters that fund terrorism. It’s not yelling death to America as a winning political strat. It’s just a lower middle class country.




I am extremely confident that if America had sanctioned Thailand off from the global economy, put out a document titled "Which path to Siam" which explained they needed to wipe out all of Thailand's neighbours before invading them, wiped out all of Thailand's neighbours as they explained in their openly published plan on how to invade Thailand and then blew up 150 Thai schoolgirls that Thailand would actually be yelling "Death to America" at the top of their lungs.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 9, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I think it is far more likely that this war is happening as a result of the espionage and blackmail system that Epstein ran rather than as a distraction from it myself.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 9, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
That's how I refer to it whenever I'm not in a more formal forum like this one where you get banned for referring to it as such.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 9, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Then please don't make drive-by shitposts on the topic. If you don't want to have the conversation, don't bring it up.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 9, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Bombing an apartment in Bahrain is not proportional to bombing an American military base in Bahrain.




The Iranians have extremely good intelligence from Bahrain due to the high Shia population, and there were credible reports that American soldiers were being quartered in those apartments and hotels.




Iran has little ability to harm Americans.




I actually agree with you on this, which is one of the reasons why starting this conflict was an incredibly stupid idea. The problem, of course, is that Iran's strategy is to destroy the global economy by closing the Strait of Hormuz and depriving the world of fuel, a strategy which won't harm them terribly much due to their continued ability to sell oil to China and the fact that American sanctions kept them cut off from the global economy anyway, which means that the real test of their military effectiveness is simply "How much oil left the strait of Hormuz from non-Iranian sources since the conflict began?" Much like how the Viet Cong would have handily lost a fight with the American military if they all lined up in a field and marched to death, the Iranians understand that their conventional military disadvantage forces them to fight back with alternative means.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 9, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


We killed the core of Iranian leadership in an afternoon and their only viable response is to attack unrelated countries and merchant fleets.




If you think the countries that Iran has attacked are unrelated to the conflict I don't believe you have a terribly useful understanding of the situation in the region - that's the kind of analysis that you get from talk shows. In reality, people understand that nations with US military bases that are being used to actively launch attacks are in no way unrelated to the conflict. Similarly, if you believe that their closing of the Strait and attacks on merchant ships are wild flailing as opposed to an extremely well documented and widely understood strategy of attacking the global economy then I just don't think you're providing any kind of serious analysis.