George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
The things you lean on / are things that don't last
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George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
3d ago
Sure, but has anyone suggested that this is the most common or ideal pairing?
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
1yr ago
More to the point, he is a Jew, so you can't expect much here.
Wait, is this a joke? And with 10 upvotes? Sometimes I wonder WTF forum I am in.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
3d ago
The relevant point is that this appears to be widespread, and I apparently, to echo the OP's post title haven't noticed, but then I see about 85% Asian (Japanese, more Korean now than previously) in my print ads, my commercials, my news, my tv shows, the Youtubers my sons watch. My consumption of media is probably, compared to that of most here, therefore skewed, or at least not the usual. Thus my reaction.
Yo, since you're calling me out: A) What post are you talking about where you "explained what the problem was"? I didn't see it or read it. Perhaps you're right that I could have or even should have. I didn't. You're assuming.
You're apparently pattern-matching me to someone who denies there's a problem with media. I do not deny this, as my post history indicates.
The initial post by @FaibleEstimeDeSoi was about video games and a black/white pairing, which didn't and still does not strike me as odd. The issue is not with one game. The issue is larger, as with the tide that goes out--it lowers all boats. For whatever reason I did not make that connection to the post and I felt the issue was with the interracial pairing in and of itself, not a symptom of a larger issue (i.e. focusing on one boat instead of the tide.)
Dase decided to go for it and get personal. That's what I take issue with--well, that and his general writing style, which I find tedious but not because I think he's a liar or cretin. I don't think either of those and he seems quite intelligent. He was also rude and thus far in his interactions with me does not seem to be interested in changing that tack. So be it.
I'm not blind and I'm not lying. I spent three years in Africa and most of my life in Alabama--black men with white women is a thing. That is the issue I was bringing up. I am not Gillitrut.
(Edit: I'm probably one of the most normie dudes in here and need to adjust my expectations. Absurd really how thin my skin is at my age.)
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
3d ago
It may be that because of my physical distance from US advertising (I don't really have US commercials, do not see print ads or whatever is on billboards, etc.) I am out of touch to a degree on what is or isn't common in English language advertising.
Very first post I made here was on a related topic . I'm not blind to the idea of this propagandistic swing in media, not am I its defender in some sort of fair-is-fair way. I won't say "the way OP presented the point" because I seem to be the only one who misconstrued, rather "the way I took it" was a focus on one affair as a plot device that happened to be between a black man and white woman. That this has become a widely-played trope I have not myself perceived but I chalk that up to a certain isolation (obviously I don't live in a hole so not complete isolation). Mea culpa.
You may be right that this, along with my use of quotes, fired up a reaction. But so what? Part of the ethos here at least by my understanding is that we suppress the heat and aim for light, or at the very least keep it non-personal. I wasn't trying to piss anyone off despite suspicions otherwise, certainly not OP, who had the humility even to doubt whether his post was low effort (I think it was perfectly fine). Even here you've very clearly explained to me the issue with civility. In any case I've let this irk me way more than it's worth. Thank you for your input.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
1mo ago
Let me insert here that although I disagree with you, I appreciate your persistence in offering counterpoint and I am not among the downvoters. While I do downvote unnecessarily antagonistic and low-effort posts (including yours at times) I don't think this is either.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
11mo ago
I--not who you're responding to-- thought this while reading but suddenly doubted myself. Makes me realize I don't actually know who the hell any of you people are. (And no my name isn't George, either.)
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
1yr ago
I recommend the book Lovesick Japan <-- no idea if that formatting will work (edit: It did! Yay)
The title, yes, is kind of cheesy, but it's a fascinating insight into Japanese historical trends in love, marriage, and infidelity.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
3d ago
I'm honestly not sure where your apparent hostility is coming from here. Obnoxiously obtuse? Jesus. I wrote a pretty benign comment that I didn't see how having a couple of characters where one was a white woman and the other a black man was in some way propaganda or odd. Were this everywhere, in every episode and story and book and TV show, sure it would be notably odd. Also, if this were a game made in Japan for Japanese people (a country where as you say I do live) I'd see it as a bit odd. The fact of the matter is, however, in the US and elsewhere (presumably the primary market for this game, Fallout, though I admittedly do not know and am assuming) these types of pairings do happen and have happened. It's not as if the characters are a trans woman and a gay man somehow finding love, where I'd think there'd be more of a point to be made.
While we're at it, your link to the tweet about IQs strikes me as dubious. Mankind Quarterly? Forgive me if I don't immediately rush out and subscribe. And hauling in the other ideas of propaganda re: girlbosses and dumb males (where I see the point, and agree) seems disingenuous of you. When I've read your comments elsewhere dealing with others you've seemed both better reasoned and more polite.
It's true I don't use terms like "miscegenation" and to me it's not something I give much thought to. I probably should assume that there is at least a certain number of posters on the Motte who think I'm dirtying the gene pool (presumably of the Japanese). It's a bit close to home for me to feel like having that conversation, however.
Barring that, however, normally, as people do on this forum, I'd be interested in discussing the topic with you. But as you're now suggesting I'm a liar and probably a cretin, you're probably right that conversation is hopeless.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
5d ago
I took it as a metaphor.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
8d ago
Thank you! I will have a go later.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
12d ago
I will do, thank you!
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
21d ago
That works I just added an x. Do embedded link URLs count toward the character limit?
I've tried several times to link it but it won't take me to the right place for some bizarre reason.
This link: https://www.themotte.org/post/788/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/170478?context=8#context
And yes, it was your post. Did you delete it? I have no idea why this won't work. Edit: It doesn't work even with the link. Beats me. Do a hard search for soyjak and you can find the post.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
26d ago
Thank you. I'll edit that in.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
1mo ago
It's based on the book, where the statement "transsexuals are passive types usually" is made (top half of the page around 164 or 5).
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
2mo ago
My only issue with most shake powders and protein bars is the added sugar, which I am recently trying 5o avoid.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
2mo ago
From everything I've read a cleanse isn't necessary, though depriving oneself of, for example, sugar or anything sweet, or booze, or similar, especially if it's something you regularly consume, might produce results. I'm currently reading Robert Lustig 's Metabolical and it's compelling and convincing, though I'm always leery of diet advice, just based on the experience of seeing various waves over the years of true believers who were later debunked.
Edit: I may not have in mind the same cleanse you do
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
3mo ago
I had never heard of any of those dishes until now, but I'd eat them all.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
3mo ago
Well, obviously there are extenuating circumstances for some, though I won't use that "exception proving the rule" phrase around these parts out of consideration for the angst it causes. What was the Santa story for you as a kid? Or was that kind of tale too unlikely for the practical minded farmer?
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
3mo ago
Yes the masa and cornhusks are the hard part. Not impossible, no doubt, but a big challenge. Plus I've no experience myself making them and it would be frustrating to go to such lengths just to screw them up.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
4mo ago
Oh? And why isn't it? Presumably we aren't all conversing in a vacuum, nor is the detailed articulate response of every single person necessarily desirable, even for the most riveting posts. I don't agree generally with you about what you term "Motte monkeys," however, so I don't imagine we'll end up in agreement.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
4mo ago
Fair enough.
The white woman/black man "pairing" as you put it is not, as far as I am aware, a particularly new concept, though you may be correct in suggesting it has not long been mainstream in terms of characters in film (or games, or whatever, though I am out of my element there.)* In other words, while I do not deny that there may be propagandistic moves made by popular media in the service of progressive goals, and that often these moves are ham-fisted and disrupt story narrative, this does not seem like such an example to me. I agree with @Gillitrut in this regard, unsure where the propaganda angle is, unless seeing such an interracial coupling itself is jarring to you. (Again, based on my ignorance of this and pretty much all games I can't speak to how odd it is in that context.)
*Edit: Guess Who's Coming to Dinner was released in 1967 and was presumably a shocker then.
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