JTarrou
6d ago
But to deny people who can pass while naked
I am quite skeptical that anyone at all can pass while naked IRL, so the whole argument seems silly to me.
The intersection of an exceptional individual who must have spent an enormous effort to look like the opposite sex with a situation in which they are forced to use communal showers seems even less likely. Certainly nothing we need legislation for, it won't happen often.
JTarrou
6d ago
So your scenario is an oil field roughneck who transitions so well that he passes, but goes back to his job?
You got even one example of this, or are we purely hypothetical?
JTarrou
13d ago
Forcing someone who underwent HRT and surgery and passes as female even naked to shower with the guys also seems bad.
Where does that happen? At what point in any trans person's life will they be through the transition process so well that they "pass", and also still sharing showers with sex-segregated people? I can only think of a couple, and they're either voluntary organizations that can make their own rules (like gyms) or places like prison where they don't have full civil rights anyway. What's the scenario here?
I maintain
1: Virtually no one passes in person, definitely not in a communal shower.
and
2: Any scenario in which this could theoretically be an issue is so vanishingly rare as to be not worth worrying about as a societal problem. This is trans angels on the head of a pin.
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