JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
Some times Charlie was in the trees.
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JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
11d ago
Are you trying to imply that this sort of attitude is somehow unique to the black underclass? In my experience it is endemic.
Ah so giving them extra vote power is just a deal so they don't shoot up the democracy.
This is essentially the core thesis of the The Federalist Papers.
You believe in gaining the consent of the governed don't you?
And again, I feel like this is where absence of those luminaries is most sorely felt, because they were smarter and more articulate than I am, and would have a more clever and artful way of making this argument.
It's not about second order effects, or even third, or fourth order effects. It's about Nth order effects. And there is no realistic way for anyone to calculate Nth order effects unless they choose to go down the David Benatar route.
I feel like you are starting from a conclusion and looking for supporting evidence, rather than sincerely seeking the answer to a question.
Yes there is an alignment, but I do not think it is as strong or as uniform as you seem to be treating it. Per the 2020 census there are 94 majority Black counties in the United States. Of those 94, Trump won 11 in the 2024 election, and was seems to have been competitive in maybe 20 others. That's not a lot, but it's not nothing either, and when you look at those majority black counties where Trump won or came close to winning, the common thread seems to be a lack of proximity to major urban centers.
My working theory is that rural and working class blacks largely mirror rural and working class whites in that they tend to be more socially conservative and anti-immigration than their urban counterparts. And that while the power of the various "political machines" that run cities like Chicago, Atlanta, New Orleans, Et Al may be famous, the power of those machines does not project into "the boondocks".
My understanding is that it is more a Urban vs Rural issue than a race issue, with the current status quo being that the urban populations of cities like Atlanta and Charlotte are distributed across congressional districts in such a way that it allows the Democrats to be competitive across multiple seats. Where as in an alternate map where the urban core was one district and the surrounding suburbs to the east and west were two others, the Democrats would essentially gain a "safe" seat at the expense of no longer being competitive in the others.
See this proposed map that has been making the rounds on X.
https://x.com/NewsWire_US/status/1978495533229428823/photo/1
In my experience the companies that will hire illegals tend to be less than scrupulous when it comes to things like counting hours and I have yet to receive a satisfactory explanation for why the law of supply and demand supposedly does not apply when it comes to the supply of labor.
It seems worth noting that conservative Christians are not the ones who've spent the last 50 years driving their communities and their TFR into the ground, so who exactly do you think is getting their credibility "shredded" here?
Yes, it is in the bible. It is kind of the whole point of the parable of the Good Samaritan. The question of who is your "nieghbor" or your "brother", is not a matter of proximity or blood but of comportment.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
12d ago
Do you genuinely believe that the money is being shoveled into "uplifting children from historically disadvantaged groups" and not just "into the hands of liberal social workers"?
It's not "fake egalitarianism", it's a genuine egalitarianism that a lot of our "elites" and "elite aspirants" think is fake and this discontinuity is a major driver of tensions in the culture war.
When affluent liberals talk about how we need illegal immigrants because they do the jobs Americans wont. What they are saying in effect is that they don't think that people who pack meat or clean toilets should earn American level wages. To put it another way, they don't think they should have to pay "the help". They are saying that what they want is not employees but rather an underclass who they can exploit. And because there is a genuine norm of egalitarianism in the US this desire for an underclass is interpreted by many as a deliberate act of disrespect towards not just the class of people who pack meat and clean toilets, but towards the entire American experiment.
does it even matter whether it's trolling?
I would argue that yes, it does matter. and that the failure to police bad actors is often one of the most visible manifestations of "toxic femininity". See Theodore Dalrymple's the rush from Judgment.
No it does not rely on conflation of those things.
It relies on the supposition that evil things are always evil, and that good things are always good. But like others here, you are so steeped in left-wing anti-western propaganda that you do not even see it.
Furthermore removing and replacing an approximate third of the US (never mind the world) population would quickly make "the whole killing 6 million Jews bit" look like rookie numbers.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
13d ago
I agree with your general framing but would expand point 1. to the managerial/laptop class more generally, and suggest that much of derangement and consternation surrounding the Aesthetics of Trump and MAGA is driven by status anxiety stemming from the appearance of the working class pushing their own interests.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
13d ago
It's an open-and-shut case, until a DC jury pool declines to convict, but we'll burn that bridge when we get to it.
I can't tell if this is an exceptionally well crafted troll effort or yet another exhibit of just how broken and toxically effeminate the culture of the liberal striver class has become. The warnings in CS Lewis' Abolition of Man reframed as imperatives. Forget making "men without chests" what we really need to do is make no men at all!
It'd be funny if there wasn't a vocal population who seem to genuinely think like this.
Surely there is something wrong with this argument but what is it? It seems fine from an purely utalitarian perspective.
This where the absence of luminaries like DavidFriedman, BarnabyCajones, Ame_Damnee, Et Al are most sorely felt. As one of their rants on different moral systems, reframing of sin as virtue, or the pernicious evils of utilitarian thinking is what this thread really needs.
From a purely utilitarian perspective Nazi medical experimentation on live prisoners was an unalloyed good as they greatly expanded our understanding of phenomena like Shock and Hypothermia. This understanding has, without doubt, saved many more lives than those experiments consumed. Now you can take this one of too ways, as an argument in favor Nazi style death camps. or as an argument against Utilitarianism. I take it as the latter. To me, utilitarianism looks like a philosophy that was specifically designed for the purpose of allowing high-functioning sociopaths to justify and excuse horrible behavior.
That definition is far too simplistic.
I am also told that that the gender binary of "male" and "female" is "lacks nuance" and is "too simplistic".
Are they though?
While the American Kennel Club may disapprove, In my experience coydogs are treated as just another type of dog.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
13d ago
The actual science of separating species is (as most biologists will say) almost completely arbitrary.
This is a false statement propagated by the same class of people who have difficulty answering the question "what is a woman?"
The word "species" has a clear and commonly understood definition. If two individuals are capable of interbreeding and the offspring produced are themselves reproductively viable then those two individuals are of the same species.
You asked me why I label your thinking as anti-western and then you post this?
From my perspective every statement you just made only reinforces @MonkeyWithAMachinegun's thesis.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
13d ago
Is Dresden not in the South?
Because to the degree that what we call "Western Civilization" has a core axiom, a common thread that binds Marcus Aurelius to Mark Manson, St Francis of Assisi to Frank Herbert, it is the idea is that Sin and Virtue are real and vital forces active in the world and that these forces are shaped by each of our individual decisions.
It is the spring from which ideas like "Meritocracy", "Objectivity", and "Rationality" well, and I do not believe that you can stray far from it and still reasonably call yourself "Western".
Statements like "What good is sober introspection and self doubt, how does that rally people to a cause and an identity?" are the statements of someone who has embraced a third-world mode of thinking, the sort of pernicious influence that CS Lewis urged us to guard against in The Abolition of Man
We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.
It is steep and slippery slope from asking "what good is X, if it doesn't benefit me personally?" to being a mere "animal".
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
14d ago
With his life history this dude does not appear to have a great reason to throw himself away for the Cause-- as a sexless loser or a trans depressive might. This should be a normal guy. Stay out of the muck, protect your minds, people.
My take away was a bit bleaker than yours. It seems to me that that support for political violence is an increasingly main-stream position amongst affluent liberals, and there is really only one way that game ends.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
14d ago
You are aware that for most of the Cold War "East Germany" was a separate country are you not?
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
14d ago
I'm trying to square the idea of wanting a set of people removed being "so vague as to be meaningless" with you being German.
I would bet on either a blue-state governor like Shapiro or Newsom, or a young chud like Piker or Mamdani being the 2028 DNC nominee over Harris, but I think the broad strokes of your analysis are sound.
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