JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
Formerly "SandwichWarrior" and "The Upright Man", may or may not be feral, is most certainly quixotic.
User ID: 4009
I feel like that ship sailed a while ago.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
7mo ago
I'm talking specifically about the sort of affluent liberal who attends a George Floyd or Free Palestine rally, and the posters here who are acting like the current conflict with Iran hasn't been decades in the making. People like Alex.
Not historical Soviets nor Soviet sympathizers.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
7mo ago
no one would answer "Just surrender, end this pointless bloodshed, let the soldiers go home back to their moms".
Thought to be fair that would make for a banger of a song
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
7mo ago
Hear. Hear.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
7mo ago
Apologies, you're catching strays from other users in this forum that I was pattern-matching you to. You yourself have not done anything to warrant the level of ire I expressed.
Mea Culpa.
I think you have assigned too much weight to the notion of a cosmopolitan UK. If you turn off the electricity, turn off the food, and turn off the water, how long do you think it would take for Anglicans and Muslims, Labour and Tory, Scotts and Britons, Britons and Welsh, Et Al to stop playing nice with each other and start stabbing? I do not think that it would take very long.
I've seen it first hand and I don't think it's Nihilism so much as a particular interpretation of Rawlsian Ethics that is almost a reductio ad absurdum.
My impression of is that they have this idea "Equality" that functionally boils down to "equal outcomes" which sounds nice in theory but it leads them to this weird theory of "Justice" where in the morality (or "Justness") of any act or actor is largely if not entirely determined by power differential. This idea of "Punching up" which is is a fundamentally noble act versus "Punching down" which is a fundamentally ignoble act.
Because the goal is equality, they feel they must simultaneously moderate "the strong" while elevating "the weak". Which again sounds nice in theory, and might even appear somewhat workable in a staid collegiate setting but it leads to deeply perverse positions when applied outside the classroom. Positions like;
- Because society is immensely strong compared to any individual drug addict. Any action taken by society (ie Law Enforcement) against that addict must be presumed unjust.
and
- Because Israel is immensely strong compared to HAMAS, and the US is immensely strong compared to Iran. Any action taken by the US or Israel against their respective opponent must be presumed unjust, while any action taken against the US or Israel must be presumed just and noble.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
7mo ago
By wiping out the state leadership and then blowing up all the powerplants.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
7mo ago
You don't need "staying power" to cut off someone's electricity.
Again, I feel like people here aren't grappling with what I'm saying. You seem to think that this is nation building exercise rather than a punitive expedition.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
7mo ago
This is an overly simplistic morality
A binary "black and white" morality allows for twice the complexity of the unitary everything is gray morality you and others appear to be advocating.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
7mo ago
People keep throwing the word "proportionate" around like it's something to be desired.
Was Nuking Japan twice and waging total war against them a "proportionate" response to loosing a few boats and a few thousand people at Pearl Harbor? No of course it wasn't, "proportionality" was never the intent to begin with.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
7mo ago
I get the impression that people thought I was being hyperbolic when I explained what "winning" looks like from the perspective of the US, Isreali, and Saudi right, rather than plainly stating a position.
Ideally, Iran makes a credible and verifiable commitment to dismantling their nuclear weapons program and stops supplying arms to HAMAS, Hezbollah, the Houthis, Russian Federation, Et Al. Less Ideally, we turn them into a failed state that wouldn't be able to muster up a nuclear weapons program even if they wanted one. If the choice is between reducing Iran to Afghanistan-esque hodge-podge of pre-industrial warring tribes and allowing the IRGC access to nuclear missiles we choose to turn Iran into another Afghanistan.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
7mo ago
If it does turn int years than you will have been right about a vaguely specified something and I will have been wrong, but if it doesn't than you will have been wrong and you will claim to not remember.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
7mo ago
No, you are still very much pretending.
We'll see in a few weeks wont we?
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
7mo ago
I think that your real problem is that we've stopped pretending to be Danes and started acting like Danes, Likewise a proper hegemon.
The idea that "someone ought to do something" was all well and good until someone started doing something.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
7mo ago
The Muslim nations surrounding Israel are not saying “Israel shouldn’t exist”,
Excluding Iran right? because that is essentially what this is all about is it not?
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
7mo ago
No I'm saying that all the "greatest ally" nonsense was always just that, nonsense, and that if you're serious about peace in the middle east the biggest obstacles to that peace will need to be either broken or bypassed
You may view the the expulsion and/or extermination of all Jews and Christians from the middle east as a humane solution to the problem but I do not.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
7mo ago
Yes, and I that is why supporting the "moderate" Salafists was a monumental mistake. A "moderate" enemy of western civilization is still still an enemy, and peace will never be attained so long as the the enemy has means to fight.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
7mo ago
Yes, I know, and I am asking you what you think that means because I get the feeling that what I think you're saying is very different from what you intend to say
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
7mo ago
And that would be?
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
7mo ago
So then we are agreed, the bombing of both Gaza and Iran is justified.
I would rather not speak ill of the dead but I feel like Mueller fundamentally failed to grasp the situation he'd been presented with. He opposed prosecuting people for institutional failures on the grounds that he felt that such prosecutions would erode public trust in our institutions but what he didn't seem to grasp was that a failure to prosecute would erode trust even more.
I agree, and that is why it was a mistake for Carter, Clinton, Obama Et Al to pay off the Ayatollahs, and why Trump should kill them.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
7mo ago
Yes Rico, Profit.
I would like to point out that there appear to be groups that are exempt from this this rule.
Jews/Israel are one example, MAGA-coded white guys and African Americans appear to be two others.
It is the appearance of such exemptions (IE that there are groups that users users here are allowed to denigrate and groups that they are not) that is fueling the push-back you're receiving here.
As I've said before, I chose to create this account and "rejoin" the motte after a year+ of mostly lurking in response to Charlie Kirk's murder, or more accurately in response to some of the reactions I observed on this forum. Specifically the casual dehumanization of Kirk and his supporters coupled with attempts to downplay his murder as "no big deal".
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