LotsRegret
2d ago
Yes, Christian, sorry.
LotsRegret
2d ago
I am aware mitigation is not free. Though tourist money can sure help offset some of those costs - so there is a benefit and risk to tourism.
I'd rather not get into the nitty gritty of policies as there can be arguments regarding how to implement or how sufficient they would be. At the end of the day, changing the culture such that a non-insignificant portion of Americans want open borders and feel illegal immigrants have every right to be in the US is the most important thing, because then we can work on the law enforcement aspect and deterrence.
LotsRegret
2d ago
How do you measure oppression? On the face of it in terms of basic rights, this situation is solved. Universal suffrage and all that, the baseline of dignity achieved. Right?
Yes, I agree with everything you said (as an aside this is why I try and use the term "baseline of opportunity" to short circuit the equity / equality of opportunity debate). I agree this is a hard pill to swallow for society which desperately wants to believe in tabula rasa, but that doesn't mean it becomes acceptable to treat individuals as their racial averages is their destiny.
LotsRegret
2d ago
I think there is a conflation that in order to have a baseline of dignity and respect you cannot punish crime or have to be a bleeding heart.
I am fine deporting people. I am fine with upholding the borders. I am fine locking people in prison for the rest of their life if their crime is severe enough. That doesn't mean everything is on the table though against people - I don't think it is justifiable to torture them, kill their entire family for their crimes, etc.
LotsRegret
2d ago
Well, I am religious, so God.
In the US, it is part of foundational documents.
LotsRegret
3d ago
Tourist visas would not be a problem if the laws were enforced to ensure overstaying the visa would be inadvisable.
For immigration, again, you can better target what you want without having to use race (or nationality) as a proxy.
LotsRegret
3d ago
You can’t enslave, discriminate, oppress, and demean a people based on the assumption that they’re inferior and then…turn out to be right. That’s not fair!
Let us assume HBD is correct.
That does not make it acceptable to enslave, discriminate, oppress, or demean a race of people - all people deserve a baseline of dignity and respect.
I'd also question the implicit assumption which seems to be built in that IQ is what makes someone superior/inferior. Is the 120 IQ person superior to the 119 IQ person? 110 IQ? 100 IQ?
Yes, I am aware on a population level, IQ is correlated with better outcomes, etc. but it is shocking to me that you have not come across lower IQ people who are wonderful, pro-social, and valuable members to society; or higher IQ people who are monsters. This is why judging people as individuals is incredibly important on the individual level. On the policy level where you do need to be concerned about population level issues, there would be better ways to account for HBD than using race as a proxy for something you could target more directly.
Do we have evidence that a particular race has the lion's share of overstaying visas such that it would be more effective to deny all of that race from tourism in America vs another algorithm which doesn't use race as a proxy to determine who is more likely to overstay a tourist visa?
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