Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
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Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5mo ago
Unfortunately it appears they made a mistake and accidentally sent an internal letter
I think thats the second or third time were seeing this specific kind of leak in the new Trump administration.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5mo ago
the Holocaust mythos is the bedrock of Western slave morality
Slave morality is not the belief that you are guilty, its a standard of good and evil. This is usually communicated together with the holocaust story (as well as elsewhere), not because of a logical dependence but because both are needed functionally to get to the "you are guilty" point.
Now, if someone is very invested in the idea that the germans actually passed that standard, and the jews are the evil oppressive ones, then I think he believes in slave morality. Its certainly possible to be a holocaust denier who considers it important in the purely tactical way you outlines above, but that just isnt the impression I have of them, and yes you do know what I mean. (You personally are far from the worst on that front, but it does still seem to be there)
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5mo ago
But it's not edgy at all.
The edgy thing is saying that youre any kind of holocaust denier even when its entirely unnecessary to communicate your position. They are the same picture indeed; I just disagree that anyone is fooled in the way you say, and thats so obvious that it cant have been the intent.
It's true that "this is like the lead-up to WWII" is often invoked, but that is always invoked as a nod to the Holocaust
A tightly coupled package is not "all about" the one piece that you love to talk about. Certainly the uses against Putler recently have no even pretend connection to killing jews.
the way that a religio-cultural narrative can shape not only the moral narrative of a society but radically change the genetic fabric of a civilization within a single generation.
That part at least Im fairly sure can be understood independently. And... look, you have all these smart sounding reasons why its important to talk about holocaust denialism, but youve seen a lot of it, the people writing it and their emotional emphasis etc, and I think you understand why it seems like slave morality to me - so, why isnt it?
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5mo ago
This is reaching levels of "false opposition" on totally unprecedented levels
I think you have an inflated sense of your factions importance. Not all is done to address you specifically. This is obviously-to-everyone not serious and edgy for its own sake, which he has done in many directions.
The culpability of Winston Churchill to the outbreak of the conflict is totally irrelevant to the Western Psyche.
Disagree. The lead-up to WW2 turns into the "warning signs".
the function... is to keep it that way.
Why? Whats the point of someone who believes the holocaust but rejects its moral lesson? It seems to me rather that if its really important to you to deny it, you kind of believe the lesson.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5mo ago
They hunted Trotsky
Palace coups are not civil wars. If there was something like an international communist government, Id totally expect them to kill each other in there too, but not a war between nations.
it did risk going nuclear
I dont know much about that, but they had a massive common enemy sitting at the ready. Maybe the soviets thought they could win off nukes alone without being weakened vs the US, but couldnt and the attempt would be massively dumb. Something like the nuke imbalance would be unlikely in this timeline, and if anything Germany has them first, and possibly even before the West, in which case Russia would be far down the list of targets.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5mo ago
Yes, but the russian communists did not fight civil wars among each other, and neither did they fight with the chinese after those left.
In the OTL Russia had a very direct hand in setting up communist governments in places it had effectively conquered post WW2, which gave them a very central position. The communist Germany timeline has a big questionmark to the how, not just the who, of communist international organisation.
A communist Germany, it seems to me, would be likely to feud with Russia over who the de facto leader of European communism is.
You think? German communism was on good terms with and supported by Russia generally. The less-authoritarian socialists who were critical would face the wall anyway. I think the germans expected international cooperation, Stalin didnt have anything but Russia at this point so its not clear why he would turn them down, and then maybe this becomes a political conflict in international communism and eventually a german-soviet split, but actual war seems very unlikely.
Theres some variation in these scenarios but I think they play out pretty similar to "early GDR" anyway - GDR problems are mostly not the fault of the russians, IMO. And I assumed a capitalist coalition does survive and cold war and both german and russian communism eventually collapse like they did, which Im now less sure about - full Germany is much more powerful than the actual GDR territory, and they may have been able to stabilise the russians when their leaders lost faith, and Im pretty vague on what happens to the rest of the Warsaw Pact in all of this. I went with this because I consider it the optimistic scenario for german communism - which is still worse than actual, and thats sufficient for my point.
If there is a worldwar anyway at a similar time, it would have to be France going fascist in response, massively cleaning up its act with the army, and either being attacked late in the process or getting it through and starting it themselves, and Im not sure Roosevelt would have been on their side (though at that point he may be couped).
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5mo ago
I think you should evaluate this not only in the context of the war. German democracy was deeply unpopular and due to end soon, and the communists and nazis where fighting for who would replace it. In retrospect, it seems clear that the germans are better of with their choice, despite everything. Communism really is that bad that youd rather lose a world war.
But what Nick Fuentes and many others outside his orbit among the "anti-semitic Dissdent Right" are perceiving is heterodox political perspectives previously monopolized by the DR become appropriated and platformed but stripped of actual criticism of Jews.
WW2 revisionism always had anti-american strands as well as anti-jewish ones (perhaps not as prominently in America itself?). BAPists are not taking the serial numbers off your stuff, they are reinterpreting the anti-american versions as being about the blue empire. Being broadly familiar with the european right that sure was what I thought moldbug was doing.
I personally know someone who believes a lot of things about WW2 are lies but not the holocaust, and is also antisemitic.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5mo ago
The things with european villages is that they are... villages. Not cities. I live in what I would consider a mid-sized city, which may still be a village for you, and Ive always been confused by these american urbanists - what do you think you need a car for that I dont? I guess the supermarket, but the local supermarket doesnt have that much, so usually I drive anyway. The only public transport that remotely works is the metro, the busses have 15min wait times on the low end even with them running them basically empty. The metro at least is usually 10% full, but still none of this would survive if it wasnt subsidised into the stratosphere. The conflict over cars exists here as well, and the "no cars at all" faction is if anything bigger than is america.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5mo ago
Given the how much the form theyve taken will lower the odds of sticking, and poison the well going forward, I think they are flat out a mistake.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5mo ago
Thats not quite what I meant. Disincentivising fornication is fine, and men generally can avoid it then. But you do in fact have to disincentivise it, and they will look for a way to get away with it - and the question is if that is itself a personal defect that should be corrected. Correcting it is... not necessarily identical to true asexuality, but given the layout of the human mind that would propably be the easiest way to do it, and there are likely to be significant similarities with other ways.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5mo ago
If it helps you, Im not christian or even really adjacent, and I have liked a good bit of hlynka, even as we disagreed. The fact is that most people here had their political formation entirely within the liberal frame - whether in agreement or opposition, and its quite hard to take the country out of the boy. They do, in fact, agree on quite a few things without being aware of it, which most anyone from outside that context can see, even if theyre quite a different kind of conservative. Naturally this is hard to summarise or explain outside a concrete case, but heres two comments I found that might help.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5mo ago
have more conservative sexual ethics than most on the DR(which in its most mainstream form endorses male promiscuity)
Would like to hear your thoughts on this: Its natural for a toddler to run directly towards the danger sometimes. Its not good for them to actually get there, and you should stop them - but if one of them never did that, its propably not actually well. In the same way, while I think its bad for promiscuity to happen, Im not sure the "ideal trad man" who would never even consider trying, is all that well. And I think this is often the motivation for this BAP position: Theyd be fine with a father/brother/husband being protective of a women (ok maybe fight him, but realistically mostly not), and would encourage you to be that man, but they hate trads preaching at them.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5mo ago
At risk of spiderman-pointing, your objection was known within nietzscheanism since Nietzsche himself, who had read the original texts a whole lot. He argued that the greeks extolled restraint because they were so virile and considered that the natural state of things.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5mo ago
For the record, I think neither user had wrong intent in this thread (similarly relying on personal judgement about @WhiningCoil. His comment is in fact weird and I may have warned him anyway for objectivities sake), and I think jeroboam is to blame in the linked thread. Im fairly sure Im not tribally aligned with @4bpp, though I like him personally. I think his psychologising you is false, but Im not sure what you are thinking.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5mo ago
That's not crazy, but doesn't it slow down reading even more than a verbal monologue would?
Not sure why you think that, but Im not thinking much about speed, just understanding at all. I agree that text is easier than a monologue.
I think in a normal "explanatory conversation", the listerner already talks back with his own understanding, which the "teacher" uses to judge.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5mo ago
People who can't correctly answer basic reading comprehension questions aren't going to become able to answer them because a phone reads them out loud. In cases where they realize they're misunderstanding, they might be able to straighten themselves out by asking the phone AI, but too often people don't know what they don't know.
Technically agree about the reading-out part, but I think youve got the mechanism wrong. This is not just about being too dumb to understand things at all (Im quite pessimistic about average intelligence, but have you seen some reading comrehension fails?) - its about the different style of interaction. With reading (or video), you are in charge of making the information transfer work. When something is explained, not just verbally but in conversation, the other can assess your reactions and guide you down the right path, which is much easier and propably more evolutionarily consistent. You really have to get quite stupid before both people regularly believe theyre on the same page when theyre not. And conversational explanation might be AI-able.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5mo ago
I... dont think patchwork is very important to many "dissident rightists", possibly not even Moldbug himself. Its not really related to any of the things you quoted in your first comment, at least.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5mo ago
Is there an explanation of how they got those numbers as well? The excel offered is static and AFAICT has no additional info above the site. A few questions: Am I reading it correctly that they expect no compounding effect, just one multiplier? How is the GDP effect only -0.6%, if the price level is +2.3%? And Im assuming the GDP effect counts the fiscal revenue already, since otherwise its net-positive.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5mo ago
I think American housing value...
And how do you expect this fact to make its way into PPP determinations? I mean even aside the overton considerations, is there any way to say how much of US housing prices are due to this, beyond "I reckon"? At risk of meme-ing, if I said that living in a free and democratic country is valuable to consumers and this is reflected in the prices of the naturally limited houses-near-XYZ in such countries, how do we know youre right and Im wrong? Indicator measures arent useful if measuring them is epistemology-complete, which is why PPP is almost certainly defined in a way that cant detect these things.
especially if they do not meaningfully coexist on either market
Im sure this is true in some cases, but I dont think its true "across industries". And with services it seems like the default case - e.g. the "style of waiting" in everyday-grade european restaurants propably isnt offered in the US - so they propably have some strategy to capture it anyway
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5mo ago
I dont generally look for these things either, because with more "normal" policies you have a good enough idea anyway that the details dont matter, and its not like these forecasts are that precise to begin with - unfortunately that means I dont know how to find one now that I would want it. Im pretty sure even good tariff equation apologetics is not what Im looking for.
I have kept my youtube free of politics-first content. Most political discussion is very unpleasant for me in audio, which likely contributed to achieving this, but I would very much recommend.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5mo ago
If Chinas service economy is actually triple of what those numbers say, it gets you from 125% of US to ~155% - not a significant change to debt/GDP.
The affordability crisis in Western economies, the US in particular, is largely driven by inflation of necessary services – rent, healthcare, education and childcare – not by manufactured goods.
This is still propably a problem with the concept rather than the measurement - depending on how exactly PPP is defined, but just a few things being weirdly expensive it would likely miss. With housing especially, if you consider the value of location at all, its hard to see how international "quality" comparisons could be made.
Also not captured by the ICP survey conducted in 2021 are the price and service wars that have broken out across industries and products
Why are they not captured?
Given that he still has the option of turning himself in to ICE for that great "escape plan", this seems rather implausible.
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