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				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 28, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I think "raping the defeated enemy's women is despicable, even if it is a normal incident of war" is a specifically Christian thing. The Iliad treats the practice as unobjectionable - the driving conflict is over whether the man who captured the girl gets her or his commanding officer does. Islam explicitly condones it, at least according to the simple, obvious reading of the Quran and hadith.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 28, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Swedish law makes the distinction between "rape" (defined the way you would expect Swedish feminists to define rape) where the normal sentence on conviction is <5 years, and "assault rape" (defined sensibly) where the normal sentence is 10 years or more.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 28, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Rape is seen as an extremely severe crime committed against the sacred honor of the victim and her family in patriarchal societies




Illicit sex, not rape. The consent of the woman is not the point, and in general patriarchal honour codes make no distinction between seduction and rape.


The concept of "rape" first existed because some patriarchal societies (including cisHajnal Christian Europe) carved out a near-empty subset of illicit sex where she is wholly innocent and he is wholly guilty. But the most common patriarchal norm is that the victims (i.e. her male relatives) punish both perpetrators without bothering to investigate. Naturally, in these types of societies men mostly stick to raping/seducing women with no living male relatives or whose male relatives don't have the ability to punish them.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 28, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Rape is a bit of an odd crime, in that in theory almost everyone agrees that it is an extremely severe crime - nearly as bad as murder, if not worse. My armchair theory is that this is because the prototypical crime people imagine is entirely gratuitous. They can conceive of circumstances in which they might think murder is acceptable or even good (likewise for theft, etc...), but it's hard to imagine a "virtuous" rape unless you're a psycho. Even when people joke about things like prison rape, the victim is a bad person being victimized by other bad people.




There is an old joke, normally told about Texas but which applies to any frontier justice culture.


"Why are horse thieves more likely to swing than murderers?" "I've met plenty of people who needed killin'. Never met a horse that needed stealin'"


Whether it is possible for a woman to need rapin' in this sense is, in fact, controversial.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 28, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I'd say "frat boys running train on a drunken co-ed" is traditional-elite coded, which is why the prog left hates it so much. Pre-2016, it was a reasonable assumption that frat boys (except historically black frats or heavily black athlete frats) were mostly Republicans, but I suspect this is no longer true because post-2016 there are fewer educated Republicans.


I think "running train on a drunken woman you collectively don't respect" is primarily associated with groups of men of any variety who think they can get away with it. Traditional-elite undergraduates and outlaw bikers have a strange need to do it according to Robert's Rules of Order in a way most rapists don't.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 28, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Frats are explicitly Greek




"Greek" refers to the Greek letters in the name, not to any intended connection to ancient (or modern) Greek culture. Different frats have different origin stories, and I haven't heard of any which claim to be a modern implementation of a Greek concept.


The use of Greek letters for college societies originates with Phi Beta Kappa, which is not a frat and per Wikipedia used Greek letters to contrast itself to the Masonic "Latin-letter societies" that were a thing at the time.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 28, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


means diffuse (white-collar crime, embezzlement, contract violation, etc.) or direct (scams, fraud)




None of those are robbery. The legal definition of robbery is theft involving the use or threat of violence. Certainly in the UK, the archetypal thief is a burglar (theft involving breaking and entering buildings), not a robber.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 28, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Per BBC coverage which is consistent with X discussion, 5 British citizens resident in London, early 20's men. The poorly-lit news photos of the arrest (British police don't publish mugshots) imply that they aren't black, but aren't clear enough to distinguish "probably European" from "probably Middle Eastern".


Given the ages, these won't be naturalised immigrants. Either they are British-born, or they were brought to the UK as children by their immigrant parents. Conservative (i.e. partisan, not generically right-wing) poasters are dunking on Reform and Restore poasters who speculated that they were small boat immigrants. The addresses given by the police are in sufficiently wealthy parts of London that we can assume that they were living in social housing, although we don't know if they live with their parents or not.


I do not think the "diesel thief" theory is plausible - diesel thieves would not have travelled all the way from London to rob a US airbase.  My initial guess is that the 5 were working for the Iranians, but but @orthoxerox's theory of radical leftists motivated by Israel-Palestine is also plausible.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 28, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
If they are Iranian, they are lawful combatants (but fighting out of uniform, which means they forfeit most of the protections lawful combatants usually get under the Geneva Conventions) - RAF Fairford is a US airbase and the US is at war with Iran.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 28, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Donald Trump's personality and style




Also the dishonesty, personal corruption and incompetence. I don't think NeverTrump Republicans' main objection is that Trump is uncouth. In this cycle, most non-lefties who are NeverTrump would say that "he did January 6th" is the strongest argument for opposing him that isn't about policy.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 28, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


You can collapse most people's views into what they think about Donald Trump.




Donald Trump's personal approval ratings poll at minus a gazillion, but the GOP is still going to get well over 40% of the vote in the midterms. There are a lot of double haters out there, many of whom voted for Trump in 2024 and some of whom will vote for their local Republican in 2026, and an even larger number of grillpilled normies.


In real politics, there is no shortage of centrist Democrats who either signed the Harper's letter condemning wokestupid or secretly wanted to, and the only reason why there are so few NeverTrump Republicans and conservatives is that MAGA successfully purged them from the movement.


Something about the current online environment (probably the algorithmically mediated impact of what midwit political junkies click on) tends to turn online political spaces either 100% wokestupid or 100% MAGAtarded. The Motte isn't immune, although we are holding out better than 99% of the competition.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 21, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Yes, but I suspect most mil-sf writers are not faking it.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 14, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Joseph Smith was a freemason before he founded Mormonism and there are numerous Masonic elements in Mormon ritual, so it would be Masonic. Catholic is plausible based on my read of Mormon doctrine - that there is an anti-anti-Catholic strand - as if Smith was pushing back against the radical Protestantism of the Second Great Awakening - but Masonic is obviously correct in this case.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 21, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Please don't - that is confusing, particularly given the high rate at which leftists and theatre kids actually troon out in the strict sense.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 21, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I think the strict meaning is useful and should be retained. There isn't an alternative short word for the process of deciding that one is transgender.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 21, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Stable oligarchies are possible at a range of intervening ratios. The most famous is the Venetian Republic, with a hereditary Great Council of about 2000 people, out of a total population of 2.5 million (1000 ruled to each ruler) of whom about a tenth were nominal citizens with certain privileges and the vestigial right to approve the Great Council's choice of Doge (100 citizens to each ruler, or about 25 adult male citizens to each ruler). I would argue that the same is true of England from the 1688 Glorious Revolution (when the Commons became the most powerful part of the constitution) to either 1868 (when all urban heads of household got the vote) or 1884 (when rural heads of household got the vote) - the property-owning middle class* who had the vote was about 7% of the population or 20% of the adult male population (5 adult male citizens to each ruler).


The Roman Republic is a more complex case because it had different assemblies for different purposes with different franchises, but the centuriate assembly which elected the consuls was de facto controlled by the patricians, eques, and first class of plebians - which collectively represent probably 10-20% of the adult male citizen population (with the vote further weighted in favour of the higher classes and men over 47 years old within each class). This arrangement lasted a few hundred years from the fall of Tarquins to the rise of Marius and Sulla.


* The famous 1832 Reform Act was mostly about fixing the constituency map so that the middle class vote was meaningful, not enfranchising more people. Although it did widen the franchise a bit by updating the definition of property-owning middle class to reflect Victorian social realities.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 21, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


the US right has never really made "blood and soil" or ethnic tribalism in general a core pillar of it's identity




If by "the US right" you mean the conservative movement and not the GOP, "never" is an exaggeration. Buckley is absolutely explicit that Jim Crow is part of what he is trying to conserve in the 1950s, and he staffs his movement with southern segregationists. The Falwell/Robertson religious right was also lousy with segregationists (including Falwell but not Robertson) and made protecting segregated Christian schools one of its core issues.


Buckley himself recanted in the 1960's, but the movement eventually got rid of the segregationists one funeral at a time. If I had to pick a date when the American conservative movement (again, not the GOP) stopped being led by segregationist dead-enders I would run with the handover to a younger generation of leadership (in particular, Gingrich) around 1994. Not coincidentally, this is also the date at which the distinction between the conservative movement in the country and the non-RINO GOP ceased to matter.


It is definitely the case that the US right has been far less prone to ethnic tribalism than right-wing movements in Continental Europe or democratic countries in Asia. It isn't obvious how it compares to right-wing traditions in the rest of the Anglosphere.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 21, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Ward Churchill would have got away with it if he hadn't made crass comments about 9-11. And I assume there are more male fake Indians who didn't do anything cancellable who did get away with it.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 21, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
You can publish mil-sf without doing any of those things. I know women who have published mil-sf.


But you are right that Baen books or Black Library doesn't care how many disabilities you can fake.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 14, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


There have been 11 witnesses of the golden plates who have maintained their accounts to be true




And none of those accounts establish a causal link between the inscriptions on the plates and the English urtext of the Book of Mormon revealed to Joseph Smith through the use of the seer stones. That is what I mean by Mormonism not needing the plates.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 14, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I detect cope in at least one sense of the word.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 21, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
"Native" anything as a racial or ethnic descriptor was never a standard way of talking about civilised people - most of the Google hits on "Native British" are for plants. In 1900 as in 2026, people using "native", "indigenous" or "aboriginal" to refer to a subset of British people were probably comparing more-indigenous white British people to less-indigenous white British people - either Welsh/Scottish/Cornish Celts to the Anglo-Saxon invaders, or the English to Norman invaders. We have deep enough recorded history that people whose family came over less than 1000 years ago don't generally self-identify as any of those things.


Native (in the proper sense of the word) British English speakers who want to draw the distinction DHH is making just say "White British" which is in practice unambiguous. I have heard "Indigenous British" used as by intelligent racists as a deliberate trolling of anti-colonialist types. "Native Brit" as used by DHH is mostly a tell that DHH himself isn't one.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 21, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
As I remember London says that the fraction of "native Brits" in London has dropped to about a third. Clicking the link (which is to the Wikipedia article on ethnic groups in London) suggests that he uses "native Brits" to refer to people who tick the "White British" box on the census. (I tick "Irish" because it won't hurt me professionally and might help, so according to DHH I am not a "native Brit" despite having four grandparents who were drafted in WW2). The literal English meaning of "native Brit" is, of course, someone born in Britain - and London is still about 60% British-born.


"Britishness is tied to skin colour and being born in London does not make you a native Brit if you have the wrong ancestry" was cancellable back in the 1970s when Enoch Powell was cancelled for it.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 21, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
They are being held up for public ridicule in the Boston Globe, which is somewhat to the left of Pravda. That isn't exactly being disowned and purged, but the only more official way that the pro-establishment left could say "We're sick of these people" is to say it in the New York Times.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 21, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


I've read someone who claimed that democratic republics live around 250 years on average. The only exception is Switzerland, but it is a very unusual polity.




Switzerland hasn't been a country for 250 years, let alone a democratic republic. Before the Napoleonic Wars and the Congress of Vienna, Switzerland didn't claim to be a sovereign federal state - it was a treaty alliance between cantons that were de facto separately sovereign under the Treaty of Westphalia. The Canton of Bern was by far the largest and most powerful canton, and was notoriously oligarchic.


If you count America as continuously republican since 1776 or 1789, you would say that Switzerland has been a democratic republic since it was reconstituted after the Congress of Vienna (i.e. 200 years, a slightly worse run than the US). If you think a constitutional rewrite as a result of a civil war is a break in continuity, then Switzerland has been continuously democratic and republican since the end of the Sonderbund war in 1848. (Which is a slightly better run than the US)


Switzerland's political stability is remarkable given the multi-lingual, multi-confessional nature of the country, but it wouldn't stand out against the Anglosphere countries. Part of this, of course, is that the Anglosphere countries have the advantage of not having land borders with Napoleonic France/Nazi Germany/etc.