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BANNED USER: repeated antagonism and bad behavior

Nantafiria


				
				
				

				
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User ID: 246

Banned by: @Amadan

Why should we blame politicians, when the departments themselves could alter course right now if they so saw fit?

Joe Rogan is wonderful about being generally optimistic and positive - absolutely. He's also not a rightist, nor does he lean particularly left. He seems like the kind of person with much better things to do than argue for any political side, and really, doesn't fit well within any political tribe currently relevant on the scene.

One thing that does feel... maybe kind of new(?) this time, is that the media reaction also seems somewhat more subdued, both before and during the election. Of course, most traditional / legacy media will still be tell you, or at least hint to you, that the results are a Bad thing[1] and that Bad people just got a lot of votes, but on balance it still feels... a bit more subdued and less histrionic?

It very well may be, and it's likely because anti-immigration politicians are old news in today's Europe.

Over in America, Donald Trump won an election in large part just for being the one guy willing to take a stance against immigration. This was then touted as a RADICAL change that was UNPRECEDENTED and surely a HUGE upheaval. On spaces like this one and the defunct SSC comments, people were sure that anti-immigration sentiment in Europe was a clear effect of this, and..

.. No?

We've had anti-immigrant parties for decades now, as opposed to it being a thing in 2016. Sometimes they do well, sometimes they do not, sometimes they even get elected into governments. This has gone on for such a long time and with such regularity that it's become a little boring: it's really hard for something to keep its edge for such a long timeframe. There are people who disagree with the anti-immigration guys for various reasons, certainly, but the hysterics and doomsday rhetoric just isn't there anymore. It didn't work, the novelty wore off, and anti-immigration parties have become such a permanent fixture that even the negative coverage is more level-headed than it is apocalyptic.

That's (kinda) what they did with Ghostbusters, no? Those people have only ended up remembered because of their infamy.

In the event you're serious, rather than habitual and reflexive contrarian #8918944711...

Killing people and taking their stuff is bad. Killing lots of people and taking their everything is worse.

us allies bad, corrupt, incompetent, etc etc this comment runs too long

The republic of Korea, Israel, the Croats first and then the Kosovars too for good measure, literal fucking Greece, all of south America sans Venezuela I guess and Cuba(lol).

If you want to write at length about a topic, get it right. No amount of edgy style and substance is going to cover up how thoroughly wrong you are to those who read what you are actually saying. Shame on you.

Yes, things went poorly in Korea. Then the Americans got serious and made it into an immensely good opposite to what you're saying.

Israel doesn't count because.. Money? Moving the goalposts is no good argument either.

Yes, the Balkans saw a bunch of ethnic cleansing happen. No American ostensibly cares, and I don't know how it's relevant for any strategic reason.

The Greeks got a cool $400 million in American 'military aid' for their war. 'Doesn't count,' my ass.

And finally, if the shining path and the FARC are signs that America's enemies are succeeding, I'd hate to know what their failures look like. Their leaders die, their people get vaingloriously shot and forgotten about, and they seem to achieve nothing at all. If this is your grand theory about a 'very simple formula', it makes being an American ally look pretty good indeed.

No, of course not, and Hungary isn't even a special case(why would it be?). Mostly, countries that only make a social fuss and don't fuck with the money get left alone other than posturing for domestic political points. In all of the EU, really, talk is cheap, and paying attention to words rather than actions is a bad idea.

Italy is definitely, absolutely, entirely not a nation where the media is on the side of the EU. And neither is Hungary's or Poland's, for that matter.

That was a demand regarding corruption and fraud, which doesn't really skew left or rightwards no.

It's a pretty easy thing to bitch about when there's negligible amounts of muslims around, yeah. Leftists who try that shit in places muslims actually migrated to confine themselves to (rightful) perpetual electoral doom.

You'd be wrong to imply such a thing, because the media in those countries doesn't do that.

From what I've noticed, the fanatically pro-EU types are mostly blue tribe Americans who adore it as some mythological anti-red America. Most European Redditors(or Europeans in general) are pro-EU too, but lean much more nuanced than whateverthefuck goes on at any given Reddit sub.

Because in 1945 the US openly threw money at the Germans, while now in 2022 they are a bad ally at best, and a polite enemy at worst.

Y is how the nordics spell the ü sound, just for future reference. No funny mid-2000s cats here.

No, I'm talking about the US. With Russia being the wreck it is, I don't know what the Americans really get to offer Germany.

Yep. Right convenient, too.

Isn't southern Florida the place all the Cubans are at? Those people hate socialism more than the average American will, and it seems like enough of an outlier that I'd be careful not to assume nation-level trends.

This is a fair response, but in that hypothetical scenario Catalan independence still isn't a Kremlin plot; people have been trying at this for decades. Much the same was true in Ukraine.

They hate the United States, and therefor love anything opposed to it in any way; people who lost their faith, and worship the devil. I think expecting coherence from such people just doesn't get you anywhere, when they are anti-American first, and pro-whatever second.

Between this post and others, I don't think your model of how Europeans think and feel is a good one, east or west, nor do I think you quite understand what the EU does or even can do with its member states. Stefferi's post up there would be a good start for you to read; in short, immigration isn't as big a deal as you imply it is, and the EU has little influence on any particular nation's handling of it anyway.

In general, if your views could be proven wrong by a five-minute conversation with a normal person or three, you should wonder first if it's true in the first place. Have you talked to anyone about this, or are these assumptions made of what you've been told by fellow extremely online nerds?

Killing off the young men who could be having babies by having them kill your fellow east slavic young men is the single best way to see your population decline more.

If the ECHR had battalions, I might in fact agree. In practice, it doesn't, and countries that flout it see no consequences.

Or maybe I'm being crazy and it's a coincidence.

You aren't crazy, so much as human. It cannot be helped.

The modern information environment is not normal. Nor was, for that matter, that of a century ago, or even that of someone urban two, three, four hundred years ago. We live in times where people are both more and less scrutinised than ever: more because technology has given us thoroughly better ways to record and track just-about anything; less, because personal ties are weaker than ever, and being anonymous in large parts of your life is something you can do nowadays. Insofar dying pieces of media ravenous for scraps of clicks and views find a bunch of cheating incidents, it is in LARGE part because these are things we can actually find today, as well as signal boost through aforementioned money-starved media machines. Think of it yourself: pro poker, pro chess, fishing contests - do you really care about them? Would you have heard of them if not for journalists meticulously going through everything?

All of this isn't a bad thing, not necessarily, but people are poorly suited to handling such an environment very well. Our monkey brain hasn't updated all that much since times much different from today's, and so having a mere half-dozen tidbits of news seems like it's REALLY REALLY MUCH. If you look into this all, do it with the thought that modern times are modern in mind; do not let what is a new environment drive you crazy. It isn't good for you, and you deserve better.