Pongalh
6d ago
"Ah yes, another one of those elaborate Jewish deceptions..."
The reply said Israel, not Jews. And I've heard that Iran is on the verge of nukes for decades as well.
Pongalh
6d ago
I'm actually a paying subscriber to that channel. And one other. A dollar a month. Beats a Substack subscription on cost.
But it's a low status thing to admit to watching (much less paying for), even as it gives you a more realistic view as to what police are dealing with, at least relative to getting your information from scripted dramas and non-profit org stats and prog talking points. My more educated, higher income left-leaning friends will watch every last show on Apple TV before they waste their time on that "crime porn."
Pongalh
8d ago
Right. Seemed a non-sequitur to go from that post to "guess you're cool with police tyranny." To steelman Amadan, that is exactly what you'd do if you're intelligent about politics and sensitive to the implications of its arguments. To strawman, it's a hysterically paranoid progressive reflex.
I like that Peterson point. I sometimes feel my niche or role in the conversational eco-system is to provide antibodies for the left, as the right is already vigilantly watched (in this sense, being correct in absolute sense is less important than providing some balance). I think Matt Taibbi made a similar point about why he's journalistically more fixated on areas of rule not under Republican control.
Pongalh
9d ago
Pongalh
9d ago
That's a great point! I'm whipping one up on Gemini now. Good's likeness isn't so, well, good, so far.
Pongalh
9d ago
I want to pay someone to make a huge mural of Good and Babbit hugging each other in heaven, just to see the reaction. It's also just a warm and de-escalating thing to do. (I mean, in theory.)
Pongalh
10d ago
I do find it interesting that violent civil disruption abroad is winked at and generates sympathy from the right domestically (whereas the left mostly ignores it, be it Venezuelans or Iranians), but violent civil disruption domestically engenders the opposite feeling from the same set.
Pongalh
10d ago
Same feeling. I've always known Minneapolis as lily white Scandinavia in the heart of America. My cousins moved there in 1990 and lived there until 1994. I remember the joy of a white Christmas in 91 getting a Super Nintendo, suburban neighborhoods with no fences (which I thought was weird, coming from Cali) and the fun of a summertime skateboarding and hanging out at the Mall of America watching Naked Gun 33 1/3 among other even more throwaway flicks from that year.
To see it as lefty violence - or violence that triggers the left - I'd have never guessed was coming. For something like that I'd have said LA, hands down. Given the recent riots.
Pongalh
11d ago
Actually, the fact she was being recorded by her partner surely blows that idea out of the water
Pongalh
11d ago
Defenders of Good seem to think she was part of the protest. That would be wild if not.
Pongalh
14d ago
It's not what I remember the argument being here. I recall people here saying an equally shitty form of argument coming to pro-trans conclusions wouldn't have gotten a zero. In any case, in both cases the goal posts are moved away or toward the solidity or veracity of the argument made and away or toward "but given procedural conditions and norms that surround the argument-making, she's being singled out."
Pongalh
14d ago
If you read these defenses, something strange immediately pops out---instead of actually refuting Data Colada's points about why the data was fraudulent, they're almost completely focused on the process by which Harvard punished Gino/how different it was from the way other behavioral scientists were treated.
This reads a lot like the defense of that Christian college student refuting pro-trans arguments. Here on the Motte there was lots of "Her arguments are bad but a score of zero? The teacher is treating her differently, more harshly."
Pongalh
14d ago
Justin Murphy? Wow. Nothing much to add except to say I've seen him evolve from a UK lecturer to an American influencer who'd interview e-thots to now a dad. Frankly, the best work he ever did was in the UK.* His eagerly going the entrepreneurial, attention-getting route in Austin has compromised his integrity, though he believes most assuredly it's the other way around.
Pongalh
17d ago
Indeed. Paul Thomas Anderson's "The Master" was both not about the founder of Scientology and yea, it was obviously about him.
Pongalh
17d ago
I tried manipulating an image of my butt crack earlier today, to imagine someone climbing down it. In any case, Grok wouldn't comply. It's not some wild west of content generation (though it doesn't respect manipulation of celebs, as long as it's SFW).
Pongalh
1mo ago
I like seeing what others are talking about just for my own curiosity's sake. In fact I'm interested in politics more broadly but with no desire whatsoever to do anything about perceived problems. I don't get out of bed for systemic discrimination against any particular racial group, mine or otherwise. (As said, me and the rest of whatever racial group one believes I'm part of are not some contiguous massive organism; I exist marginally.) And it's hardly like that topic exhausts this whole site.
I'm like one of those original anthropologists interested in examining societies purely descriptively. I'm not there to preserve or rescue anything. I'm not advocate. I would think believing you can "sort the big problems out" would be a source of incredible frustration, in any case.
Personally, I worked very hard to get into a good school, and then very hard to get into a good university, and then very hard to get into a good PhD and then very hard to get a good job.
Yea, see, I didn't. I'm not of that class, so I don't see what you're talking about. It's been a unified front of multiracial peons railing against a multiracial management my whole life, in jobs that are easy to get, for anyone, and easy to dispose of. Or put it another way: the generalized shitty, Kafkaesque labor experience from behind a colorblind Rawlsian veil is far, far more salient for me as I suspect is for most.
Pongalh
1mo ago
Perhaps not. I'm a small man, and I keep my identity small. I only think in terms of very direct and overt discrimination, of the everyman sort, hence "dad won't let my black girlfriend come to dinner."
Pongalh
1mo ago
"Massive discrimination at all levels."
But it's not all levels. I don't think that for the vast majority of people these troubles do exist. And it certainly doesn't involve MURDER per your examples, where it does. Most of us are exposed to non-prestigious jobs where actual merit does in fact apply. Got a clean driving record? Voila, you're a pizza dude. It's a big, complicated, growing, non-zero sum economy where there's lots of opportunity.
I think my lack of professional success - or even much caring about it - is why I'm less bitter than the software engineers on this site who feel hectored by women of color with soft degrees.
Pongalh
1mo ago
It's generalising massively, but I think the right is more predisposed to 'police down', considering crimes by the poor and marginalised to be the worst, but instinctively believing that power and wealth confers the right to break norms. Whereas the left is the other way around, sometimes being overly tolerant of crimes done by those at the bottom of society.
Yes. The barbarism for the left flows from seemingly genteel people at the top. Think the wholesome family at the center of Zone of Interest, for an extreme example.
The Hasan Piker to Morning Mimosa pipeline
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