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Butlerian Jihadi
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The practical applications of AI are more likely to be AI assisted security states utterly crushing any form of dissent/unrest by brainwashing their populace into submission or corporate marketers engineering addictions and pathologies in the public to sell their crap (then on to full bore wireheading) than some land of technological milk and honey. The slower and bumpier the road this tech takes the longer the gates of hell take to open.
I think this comment is pretty much spot on. The fight over the effects of puberty blockers, the surgeries et al are a kind of a proxy battle for a war that's already been lost. Even if the kids aren't being literally sterilized, they're being culturally sterilized by the waters we're all swimming in and the sociocultural forces at work are so large and complex that they're impossible to compress down into something that can be fought against in a way that puberty blockers for minors can be, so you get these vicious fights that are sort of stand ins for these abstract and borderline unopposable forces. I fully expect fertility rates for western countries to hit well below 1.0 before the close of the 21st century.
Catty bickering gossip is always going to be one of the most popular topics for us fallible meatbags to engage in.
Long term wireheaded by a constant tide of AI generated porn/chatbot GFs and vidya until either substance abuse, general ill health or suicide do them in. There are enough anesthetizing distractions and vices in the world now to keep them in a placid stupor, occasional incel rampage notwithstanding that's only going to become moreso the case.
E. replied to wrong comment, meant for f3zinker
Start banning/heavily, heavily restricting children from using any kind of social media. We're standing on the very precipice of AI induced mass wireheading that will probably cut the fertility rate in half. The weird tech induced neuroses that lead to (incels/Tate/west elm caleb/FDS/simping for e-girls/insert your favourite zoomer/millenial social pathology) are going to be supercharged once we have kids raised in front of screens since they were toddlers mixed with an endless fountain of hypertarged AI genned content that can feed off an entire lifetime of mass data harvesting. There are no liberal solutions to this IMO.
I feel like the more overwrought "0 out of 10, stupid fat hobbit, they've RUINED IT" takes were a bit much, but in terms of quality of writing it felt much worse than similar "prestige tv" competitors/predecessors like Game of Thrones.
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Butlerian Jihadi
2yr ago
The median EA is probably closer to the 'autist unsociable nerd' side of the spectrum than bay area lothario, though outliers exist.
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Butlerian Jihadi
2yr ago
I miss the pinned 'low effort thread' mod comments that we had on reddit for a while, it was a good way to collect current happenings and smaller topics that don't necessarily need a 5 paragraph write up.
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Butlerian Jihadi
2yr ago
I'm not sure if Russia torpedoing their own critical infrastructure (and their only major pipeline to the euros that doesn't run through Ukrainian territory) makes much sense.
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Butlerian Jihadi
2yr ago
The alternative is the fertility rate cratering to new record lows on an annual basis as it is now. Under our current framework of liberalism you aren't allowed to use sticks to nudge/coerce people in that direction, so you're left with carrots and the easiest and most accessible carrot from a policy perspective is tossing some cash around. Barring some religious revival a la another great awakening or some very illiberal governments coming in that don't mind swinging a stick dropping stacks of cash will probably be about all that gets done.
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Butlerian Jihadi
2yr ago
He could be planning on culling the twitter workforce then hiring on more compliant devs to replace them.
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Butlerian Jihadi
2yr ago
I fail to see how being defacto enslaved to a 1000 IQ god machine of dubious benevolence (or the oligarchs pulling its triggers if we don't end up getting anything sentient) is preferable to our conventional petty tyrannies.
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Butlerian Jihadi
2yr ago
With birth rates continuing their decline pretty much uniformly across the globe it shouldn't take much more than a few cultural nudges and AI led psyops to accelerate an already extant trend.
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Butlerian Jihadi
2yr ago
Once AI comes into its own I'm willing to bet all those tiny shares and petty investments zero out in the face of winner-takes-all algorithmic arms races. I'll concede it's all but inevitable at this point unless we have such a shocking near miss extinction event that it embeds in our bones a neurotic fear of this tech for a thousand generations hence a la Dune, but this tech will become absolute tyranny in practice. Propoganda bots capable of looking at the hundredth order effects of a slight change in verbiage, predictive algorithms that border on prescience being deployed on the public to keep them placid and docile. I have near zero faith in this tech being deployed for the net benefit of the common person, unless by some freak chance we manage to actually align our proto-AI-god, which I put very, very low odds on.
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Butlerian Jihadi
2yr ago
Because being able to collectively grease every palm in society with rising wages and living standards is the easiest way to buy a lack of major unrest or civil conflict.
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Butlerian Jihadi
2yr ago
I don't think being brainwashed into sterility by the ruling class so they can hoard more resources is much of a 'good end', even if we get good enough at the brainwashing that people enthusiastically enjoy it.
It's more "They've already recruited (most of) your children, it's just a matter of degree now".
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Butlerian Jihadi
2yr ago
Selling sizzle to investors and bureaucrats requires a slightly different set of skills than selling yourself to tastemakers and the general public.
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Butlerian Jihadi
2yr ago
This is just Bentham-esque utilitarianism in action. The core of EA is "your community" is no more worthy of a dollar's aid than some shanty village halfway around the world, and 95% of those calculations end up coming down with an anti-Western bent. Instead of spending a few million marginally helping a handful of people here you can blow the same amount improving sanitation or healthcare for many more people in Timbuktu and per the hedonic calculus the latter beats the former.
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Butlerian Jihadi
1yr ago
What if they just don't particularly care about making themselves known or being seen? A couple automated probes of some hyper advanced civilization can probably buzz the atomic ape men without worrying too much about things going wrong.
I'm against cognitive enhancement because I fail to see a road where result of human enhancement isn't a speciation event where the top 0.01% of humanity acquires functionally unlimited power relative to the common person to find themselves on a footing closer to man-and-chimp with the rest of us barely auged or semi-auged proles. At that point we'll have about as much power to resist as the monkeys do if the gene modded ubermensch aristocrats decide to cull the rest of us useless eaters. Barring about a billion safeguards to stop this (probably inevitable) future I'm much more in favour of banning it all outright. Unless you're at the apex of the elite and have a good idea that your great grandkids will be similarly positioned once this tech really starts taking off, being in favour of human augmentation is like a neanderthal in favour of early humans making landfall in his neighbourhood.
I suspect it may be to 'lock in' gang members too.
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