SirJohnFalstaff
I'm one of the best from the West, my name still tatted on my ex wife's chest
Nay, you shall hear, Master Brook, what I have suffered to bring this woman to evil for your good.
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SirJohnFalstaff
I'm one of the best from the West, my name still tatted on my ex wife's chest
4d ago
All their talk about how to become a “high value” man is so bizarre when you take into account that good men (even in the status department, not just their moral content) are often the ones who don’t get laid.
Ummmm, citation needed.
SirJohnFalstaff
I'm one of the best from the West, my name still tatted on my ex wife's chest
4d ago
Urges Young Men to betray their country by going into Finance.
Young Men work hard to steal resources from the people who betrayed them.
End up distributing capital efficiently, enabling savings of boomers and women to grow, funding startup businesses, extending credit to people who need it.
Country that betrayed you is better off than ever.
MFW
SirJohnFalstaff
I'm one of the best from the West, my name still tatted on my ex wife's chest
4d ago
So to be clear, your position is primarily based on the idea that young men want more than anything to get married and have children?
If so, your argument seems to be based around a peremptory dismissal of any idea of democracy or freedom, in favor of telling Young Men that this is what they want. Because I don't think there is any time in history where people actually believed that Young Men wanted to get married and have babies as a thing in itself. Young Men want to have sex with beautiful women, and marriage along with rules around sodomy are largely a trick that gates having sex with beautiful women in such a way that you have to get married and have kids.
Most of the history of talking about Young Men is how they don't want to get married and have kids, and how to buffalo them into doing so. Young Men want to sow their wild oats, they want to hang out with their buddies, they want to go off on cockamamie adventures. They don't want to settle down.
Now, you can announce that ultimately they will want marriage and children, so marriage and children is what is good for them for ideological reasons around religion or a certain philosophical view of evolutionary biology. But that isn't what they want in the normal sense of the word. That is what you want for them.
Every legal and cultural change around the sexual revolution was driven by Young Men seeking sexual license, not by old women. As @2rafa points out, the most masculine way to exist is gambling, risking that one will end up in the bottom 20% of men who have poor prospects in the belief that one will end up in the top 20% of men who have excellent prospects.
So when you say that this is a betrayal of Young Men, what you mean is something like "spare the rod, spoil the child;" that society has allowed Young Men to eat ice cream for dinner and stay up late every night and needs to force them into marriage and children.
SirJohnFalstaff
I'm one of the best from the West, my name still tatted on my ex wife's chest
12d ago
It depends on the rule, doesn't it?
Best practices for speed limits are to set them using the 85th percentile of drivers in free flowing conditions, assuming that 85% of drivers are responsible and choosing safe speeds when driving without restrictions.
If 44% have been cheated on and 34% cheated, then monogamy is safely outside the 85th percentile!
Though in general I'd suggest that the split is the result of differential interpretations of similar fact patterns and the easiest general answer is to average it and say 39% of people fail monogamy. Lots of people say they've never cheated, but have a person in their life who say they did, for various reasons. "We were on a break!" or "it was only xyz and didn't count" or "we were never in a relationship to start with" or the ever popular disagreements about when the contract of the relationship started and ended. You see this in marriage with divorces, where you'll see the spectacle of a woman who filed for divorce accusing a man of infidelity when he sleeps with someone else before the legal process has concluded.
If we set it around 39%, then monogamy is only a 61st percentile speed. If a road has a 25mph speed limit, but 39% of drivers will do 50, then the only reason to keep it at 25 is so that cops can write more tickets.
That doesn't suggest abolishing the speed limit, it does suggest raising it slightly.
SirJohnFalstaff
I'm one of the best from the West, my name still tatted on my ex wife's chest
12d ago
Your data as a whole is mostly supportive of a standard argument in favor of polygamy: there's a huge risk of failing at monogamy, so you're better off taking it out of your expectations at the start and adjusting your own beliefs concurrently, rather than trying and failing, as many people do.
That wouldn't matter to the statement being argued:
Affirmative Action can exist and be bad and also not really matter to the employment prospects of any individual white person who isn't looking for a cabinet post or an NFL coaching job.
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