SirJohnFalstaff
I'm one of the best from the West, my name still tatted on my ex wife's chest
Nay, you shall hear, Master Brook, what I have suffered to bring this woman to evil for your good.
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SirJohnFalstaff
I'm one of the best from the West, my name still tatted on my ex wife's chest
8d ago
SirJohnFalstaff
I'm one of the best from the West, my name still tatted on my ex wife's chest
8d ago
I mean I also think that's undermining the orgasm for a lot of men, who draw their jollies from the degradation of the act.
SirJohnFalstaff
I'm one of the best from the West, my name still tatted on my ex wife's chest
15d ago
Besides, I do occasionally watch porn, and I'm not a hypocrite to the degree that I would try to ban pornstars while jerking off to them.
I suspect that much of the incandescent rage against pornstresses in fact comes from men who are addicted to porn, and are filled with rage against the women who hold the reins on their addiction.
SirJohnFalstaff
I'm one of the best from the West, my name still tatted on my ex wife's chest
18d ago
So you're defining female sexual success as "getting laid." I don't really think that's accurate, female sexual success is getting commitment, or devotion, or admiration, from men. And that carries a very large status premium.
SirJohnFalstaff
I'm one of the best from the West, my name still tatted on my ex wife's chest
20d ago
Since female sexual success carries no comparable status premium within the culture, the instinct is once again to refashion men in the image of the female ideal.
I'm curious what you mean by this, female sexual success delivers a huge premium to women's status. Female sexual success places a higher premium on quality of partner over quantity of partners, though I think there is a large premium for that in men as well. You wouldn't admire a man or label him high status for fucking a LOT of fat ugly women.
SirJohnFalstaff
I'm one of the best from the West, my name still tatted on my ex wife's chest
20d ago
Here's the truth nuke: Clavicular is not an incel.
This stuff keeps popping up in my twitter feed, and I'm left with the intense feeling that the people yearn for Pro Wrestling storylines, with heels and faces and obviously manufactured storylines.
But on to the main event...
The current verdict is that boys should have their screen times monitored or limited so they don't get corrupted by the manosphere, and raise them with feminist values. Okay. I agree with some of this.
The problem is that the spaces that seek to inculcate "good" values, whether they be the campus Feminist Collective or the Youth Bible Study at your local church, give absolutely terrible advice on how to get a girlfriend. Whether they are telling you to carry extra tampons to give to girls like a weird creep, or they are telling you that the best girl for you is the one that has no urge to have sex with you, they give bad advice.
Raising your boy with feminist values is unlikely to have much better retention rate than Evangelical christianity, which according to a Lifeway study, has about a 1/3 success rate for kids who attended church regularly as kids making it through college age (though it gets about 10% of them back by their late 20s).
Boys are going to do the things that get them what they want. What do they want? Sexual attention from girls, status from their peers. For the most part, those amount to the same thing, as getting attention from girls is the single most important form of status among their peers, and status from their peers is the single best way to get sexual attention from girls.
When you cede the field of good advice for getting girls to assholes, then you end up with boys listening to assholes. Take away the assholes' ammunition, pre-empt them by raising your boys to be successful. Dan Savage successfully inculcated perverted homosexual values in a generation of liberal millennial boys because he also gave them the tools to get laid, the manosphere started as good advice for getting laid and that spoonful of sugar got the medicine of misogyny down, those seeking to inculcate other values in boys have to do the same.
SirJohnFalstaff
I'm one of the best from the West, my name still tatted on my ex wife's chest
27d ago
Aside from the dating recession, we have the equally important problem of the friendship recession.
Oddly, I think that the latter has caused me to indulge at periods of my life in the Polyamory so widely considered a scourge of the former.
It feels so difficult to have a close friendship, someone who will actually care about or listen to my emotions reliably. Someone who will answer the phone when I need someone to talk to. Someone who will be there for me through thick and thin. Who will listen when I need someone to whine to. Who cares about what's going on in my life. Someone to talk to. Someone enjoys my attention so much they'll go to a pretentious play with me just to hang out.
I can't seem to find a male friend to do these things. I suppose maybe I should have joined the military, or failing that a criminal gang, you need stakes like that to get a lifelong friend. Lacking that, sex seems to be the only tie that binds. I've had on-and-off lovers remain close for a decade, who would answer my call and I'd answer theirs.
And sometimes I think I cling to those lovers because it's a reliable source of emotionally close friendship. I make love to women because I'm too cheap to go to therapy.
Is your goal primarily to
A) maximize the odds of raising a little Brett Kavanaugh or Amy Coney-Barrett
or
B) minimize the odds of your kid going off the woke deep end and turning into a little Robin DiAngelo or Viv Musk
Those goals are somewhat in tension. A lot of the most straightforward religious conservative figures I know were raised in very restrictive and ideologically indoctrinating households by domineering patriarchs, but so were a lot of the most off-the-deep-end wokies.
The bisexual onlyfans type girls I've dated, the absolute nightmare of the manosphere, were all universally the product of religious upbringings, often bundled off to Liberty or Oral Roberts after high school, and broke bad as soon as they were out from under daddy's thumb if not sooner. I know of precisely one trans kid from my high school circle, her parents stopped talking to my parents during the Bush administration because my parents were too liberal.
If you want to prevent your kids from being crazy wokescolds, don't take politics too seriously. Horseshoe theory: the opposite of the wokescold isn't the religious conservative, that's just a switch in valence. The opposite of the wokescold is the normie who shrugs and just kind of gets on with their life and ignores everything else going on around them.
If you seek to indoctrinate your kids via weekly Dread Jim readings, you're as likely to end up not talking to your gay son or blue haired thot daughter as you are to buy them a lot on your compound to raise your seven grandkids in the Truth. Don't overcommit, don't overpromise your ideology. So many religious conservatives tell their kids that everyone in the faith is good and everyone outside the faith is bad, this is so manifestly untrue that it is obliterated by contact with reality the moment the child steps outside the bubble.
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