Skibboleth
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The riots in 2020 were triggered by one guy dying under sketchy circumstances.
This seems like a spectacular failure to grasp the deep, unresolved tension in the US over how law enforcement conducts itself. There were anti-police protests in 2014 under Obama as well. You can't attribute these things to a single police murder.
then make a big deal about fulfilling that promise.
This is not making a big deal out of enforcement. It is ostentatious cruelty (one might even say the cruelty is the point :v).
You've also got things like ICE going after valid visa holders, calling immigrants "invaders", and the DHS declaring intent to "liberate" LA from the socialists.
Skibboleth
It's never 4D Chess
16hr ago
Even if we gave everyone citizenship, there would still be downward pressure from wages.
Leaving aside the issues with this argument*, then why bring up the humanitarian concern if it's not a serious priority?
This is in addition to the cultural concerns of having 16% of people in America "foreign born" and the increased difficulty of passing along US values to immigrants as the proportion of native-born Americans goes down.
This is not a novel problem, nor much evidence that it's actually a problem in itself (as opposed to generating backlash from nativists). The US has a history of absorbing staggeringly large waves of immigration, and we've gone through this song and dance before with the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, the Poles... Somehow none of these
In particular, it's remarkable how anti-Hispanic sentiments echo anti-Irish sentiments: they're lazy and parasitic (but also too willing to work long hours at hard labor for low wages), they're criminals, they're undemocratic, they'll overwhelm us with their numbers and fecundity, they're not assimilating, etc. About the only prominent difference I observe is that there isn't very much overt anti-Catholicism nowadays.
Of course, nowadays, the Irish are at least as American as the English.
It created the prosperity and freedom that Americans enjoy
Do you not think the tens of millions of immigrants who helped build America (somehow without destroying society) had anything to do with it? Xenophobia in the US is generally correlated with the least free and least prosperous parts of the country.
*it's pretty questionable that reducing the labor supply is generally welfare enhancing.
Skibboleth
It's never 4D Chess
1d ago
Where do you live where they have letters in the speed limits?
That's what road grades are.
Skibboleth
It's never 4D Chess
1d ago
Frankly I don't believe the unemployment rate actually reflects the labor pool in the U.S. A ton of people in the U.S. are not working, or are on disability or some other program that hides their labor.
Prime age (25-54) LFPR is close to an all-time high as well. Overall LFPR is down somewhat from its peak in the early 2000s, but that is overwhelmingly driven by longer education (i.e. far more people going to college) and a generally aging population.
If you constrain the labor supply in one domain while leaving it free in others, it will tend to enable rent-seeking from raise wages for people working in that domain.
Now, this is a universally true statement that would leave all of society dramatically poorer if applied generally and also negatively impacts the workers being excluded. However, if you're narrowly focused on raising the wages of seasonal farm workers without regard for agricultural productivity or the welfare of people who would have done seasonal farm work it makes a degree of sense.
Skibboleth
It's never 4D Chess
1d ago
the underclass who can get paid under the table, who cannot ask for help if they are abused, and who are desperate to accept any wage to avoid going back home
There's a very straightforward way to resolve the humanitarian concern here.
Skibboleth
It's never 4D Chess
2d ago
Yes, obviously. However, I would prefer people to say it out loud.
Skibboleth
It's never 4D Chess
2d ago
Could you clarify what you mean by "a state where they cannot return or be amnestied"?
Skibboleth
It's never 4D Chess
2d ago
TACO?
This is a bit of a let down for Trump Supporters and anyone who wants to take America back from those who were not invited. Especially with Gavin Newsom rubbing it in the public's face. Especially with American Approval of deportation efforts have been increasing.
I get the impression there's a fair amount of tension in the Trump administration between hardcore xenophobes like Miller and traditional conservative economic interests. As I have noted on numerous occasions:
a) Enthusiasm for mass deportations amongst the public tends to taper off when confronted with the implications. The average voter might be willing to wave a magic wand that would make every immigrant go away with no costs or downsides, but they'll balk at the reality of what mass deportation means and looks like.
b) the business gentry that dominates the GOP has no interest in large scale expulsion of immigrant workers. Their businesses rely upon it, not just as a matter of cost but because there's no viable alternative labor pool for a lot of this work.
Any other fair ideas?
Focus exclusively on deporting dangerous criminals. Create a large scale pseudo-amnesty guest worker program where people currently working under the table can become documented and gain temporary legal status. Combine this with mandatory e-verify (with strict punishment for violations) to make it harder to employ illegal immigrants and bring the whole system 'into the light', so to speak. You're not going to expel millions of people overnight, but it will give you more control over the flow and you can ratchet down the number of GW visas over time. In the long run, focus on economic and political development in Latin America to undercut the 'push' factor driving immigration.
Unfortunately for nativist policy ambitions, effective long-term measures are going to require cooperation from Senate Dems, and the Trump administration is not exactly putting on a master class in making friends and influencing people. And, as mentioned, GOP business elites are not terribly interested in serious immigration reform, and especially not in a way that makes them potentially liable.
As others have stated the bad behavior by ill behaving cyclists is just so so bad.
Is it? Or does their comparative novelty make one more sensitive to bad behavior from cyclists? A great many reckless, unsafe driving practices are so pervasive that they're functionally invisible (to the point where people will often act as if you are the asshole for not doing them).
I don't have statistics on the relative frequency of brainless degeneracy amongst drivers vs cyclists, but while we're sharing anecdotes, damn near every time I get in my car I can expect to see multiple of: speeding, tailgating, unsafe lane changes, and unsafe turns. People blowing through lights isn't quite an every day occurrence, but I've nearly been run over multiple times by people deciding to make an aggressive turn on red or who seem to think the far side of the crosswalk is where you're supposed to stop.
Skibboleth
It's never 4D Chess
6d ago
God-willing these lawless men who roam our streets, threatening innocent people will be identified and brought to justice.
The competing interests and preferences of nativists, anti-nativists, employers, consumers, etc... combined with a deadlocked political system that effectively leaves immigration policy up to the caprices of executive discretion.
What is that supposed to mean? Illegal immigrants can't vote, so the "importing voters" theory doesn't hold up so well, and their mere existence alienates the xenophobe vote, so it's hard to call it a winning electoral strategy. Even if you think they're wrong, you should probably take immigration advocates at their word when they offer humanitarian and economic justifications for supporting immigration.
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