Southkraut
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Southkraut
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5hr ago
Qualia always struck me as the basic material computation within biological systems. There's nothing magical about it.
Qualia, Consciousness, Sapience etc. all strike me as conversation starters that are sufficiently vague yet overloaded with implied meaning to forever escape any demands for rigor or practical application. A thousand years from now we'll probably have harnessed the power of the stars to feed unimaginably powerful thinking machines and the best insight they'll have into those topics will be something like "It's whatever the fuck you want it to be".
Of course, I'm a barely literate peasant. It's probably all perfectly sensible. But man does it look like so much pseudobabble from here.
Southkraut
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6hr ago
Women entered the work force, the supply of labor was effectively doubled
Temporarily.
And now here sit we, these modern countries so proud of their female workforce, and wonder where the babies have gone that should have been the next generation of labor.
Alright, here's my contribution: It sure would be nice if one society could manage to agree to one set of core values and live by them and everyone pulls on the same rope, as we say here, and also that creed turns out to be a really good one and there's nothing wrong with it. Others can come in so long as they comply with this creed. People are kicked out when they don't. But the creed is good, and the nation prospers.
Failure modes:
- Inclusion does not work; people are let in but they do not actually uphold the creed. This happens all the time in western society.
- Exclusion does not work; people ignore the creed yet remain citizens. This happens all the time in western society.
- The creed is not self-destructive, and upholding it is actively harmful. This happened in, for example, the Soviet Union.
- The creed is viable, inclusion and exclusion work, the nation prospers, but the creed isn't actually western liberalism so we don't want it. I have no examples on hand.
I'm rambling a little. My core point is this: A creedal nation, if poorly thought out, will just be any western country as it exists right now, or a totalitarian nightmare, or something entirely unlike what we (for a given vaue of we) currently envision or desire.
IMO it's all hot air anyways. The future won't give a shit about what people believe or what ethnicity they might be traced back to. Technological totalitarianism that has full control of each and every individual seems more likely than grand social experiments of the feel-good kind.
Southkraut
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7hr ago
people who agree to mutually benefit each other.
And people who lie about it. And people who half-heartedly agree to it just enough to be let in. And people who are born into it and then reject it but there's no mechanism for excluding them or making them comply.
the best beliefs
Best as in most beneficial to hold, or best as in most able to propagate in a competitive environment? Because a belief that is the one may not also be the other.
Southkraut
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7hr ago
and I don't know that a creedal nation can stay coherent, if you can participate without following the creed it's based on.
How about second-class or otherwise tiered or modular citizenship?
Southkraut
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7hr ago
This post may be peak motte modding. It should be printed, framed, and hung over the physical server.
Southkraut
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8hr ago
I think you latched on a little too strongly to this issue, and it would be advisable to let it go.
Southkraut
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10hr ago
sonder
It's wrong in so many ways. "sonder" in German isn't a noun. It's not even a real word. It can't stand on its own! You combine it with various other word-components to make a real word.
Some examples:
- absondern: excrete
- besonders: special
- sonderlich: strange
- sondern: but
- Besonderheit: peculiarity
And if for some absurd reason it were a noun of its own, you'd be obliged to capitalize it. And then it still wouldn't mean what, according to Google, it supposedly means in English!
Southkraut
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10hr ago
I personally expect it to last much longer than that.
Alright, lay your cards on the table. How? Do you actually expect an 83-years-old Donald Trump to perform a coup and cancel the elections and declare himself dictator for life?
Southkraut
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10hr ago
As I argued there, even if that's the underlying psychological motivation for why people are speculating about said technologies, it doesn't really tell us anything about how likely said technologies are to come to pass.
That's true. And it may as well be true that after death, we all go to heaven. I wouldn't know either way. Granted, one of these may well become observable one day, unlike the other.
"ME GO TOO FAR!
That things never yet ceased to amuse me.
how tiresome I find the "you're only speculating about possible future technologies because you're afraid of death" "argument"
It's not an argument, you're correct. It's part observation, part speculation, on my part, something I find interesting in its own right. I don't mean to make any point about what future technologies will or won't be capable of. I also don't intend to pry open the brains of third party futurists to try and find out whether I'm even right or wrong about my theory. It's just my completely personal view that I'm putting out here for the sake of a conversation about the parallels between futurism and religion. If that isn't interesting to you, but futurism itself is, then I understand that but I also think we can have our cake and eat it by just having both discussions, with no need to shut down one for the other.
I'm sure hundreds of years ago when Alice said "in the future, we'll be able to treat infections easily, and smallpox will be eradicated, and amputation won't be the first port of call for damaged limbs, and only a small proportion of women will die in childbirth", Bob would be there to condescendingly pat on her head and tell her that her childish wishful thinking would get her nowhere.
Yeah, guilty as charged, I'm a Bob. I leave it to the Alices to prove me wrong.
Southkraut
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10hr ago
It's a shame that posts as short as this will never be recognized as AAQCs.
Southkraut
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10hr ago
Soft disagree on that one.
Much of it is very plainly wishful thinking in the face of mortality.
Southkraut
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11hr ago
I suppose I'd be interested in reading "closing of the digital frontier" cyberpunk science fiction, if anyone has recommendations.
Cyberpunk 2077 has this having happened as its basic premise: The new internet is mostly just a bunch of closed corporate systems, and there's a strict cordon sanitaire against the old one, which was a wild and free place but is now supposedly full of dangerous AIs. But if there are any actual books from the setting, I don't know them.
Southkraut
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11hr ago
And which location is that?
Does it perchance happen to have a bit of a history of possibly White, possibly Christian people either from a homogenous culture or engaged in the process of forming a homogenous culture building it up? Is it still, or was it until very recently, majority non-immigrant?
Possibly not. Maybe you're in Singapore. But as a matter of probability, I doubt it.
We'll see what's left of your location after a generation or two of Multikulti.
Southkraut
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1d ago
armed goons breaking into the Capitol
Please forgive my provincialism, but I still don't get the precise mechanism by which that was as terrible as it's often treated. Even if they hadn't been thrown out, what would they have done there? Or is it all just symbolism?
Southkraut
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1d ago
The issue is that Russians aren't Hajnali liberals with their cuck fetish of getting shafted due to the fear of being seen as improper.
wat
I honestly don't understand what you're trying to say there, and I hope there's a rule against this kind of formulation.
The few AAQCs I have all seem to be among my longest posts, in which I ramble aimlessly. Never the ones I feel were actually best and that managed to make a clear point.
Because we live in a progressive-dominated society where these narrative frameworks carry legitimizing weight, if you view yourself in opposition to this machine then opposing these becomes the pragmatic approach regardless of their veracity.
Yes, that's great, let's do that.
Just, please, let's do it without relitigating over and over in how far the exact mechanisms of mass killings in WW2 worked or didn't work. Can we instead just declare the whole topic a nullity and move on?
Thanks as always for asking.
I finished my refactoring, ironed out some early runtime errors, and finally got to see things run and...not work, at all. Unreal really doesn't make code-based procedural generation easy. My meshes aren't visible, the Actor hierarchy completely lacks all subcomponents that I generated, and so obviously nothing can happen.
I need to do some research or go back to the Discord to ask some questions for this. Most likely I'm either doing some small thing wrong, or else I'm doing it all entirely wrong and this kind of runtime proc-gen just isn't meant to happen in Unreal.
Feels like one of the biggest problems Unreal has for me, bigger yet than it using C++ for scripting or its monstrous size, is the fact that so much of it is built around blueprints.
Southkraut
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1d ago
The establishment probably wouldn't, given how risk-averse most Germans are.
The establishment's far-left Handlangers, though...if they actually had the mythical heart attack gun, I'm perfectly sure they'd find someone willing to pull the trigger. Mid-level AfD candidates being the target doesn't strike me as unlikely either, given that those are both soft targets and highly detested by the left.
But that's assuming such a thing exists and somehow found its way into the hands of very discreet extremists.
Southkraut
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1d ago
Are you referring to those dead AfD people?
Yeah, you know what? You have a bit of a point there. I don't usually argue against transgenderism so much as point out that it's an utterly ridiculous premise that completely blows all common-sense fuses. How the hell would I even argue against it? "Men can be women" is so very obviously and blatantly and outright ridiculously false. And yes, I'm sure there are some verbal acrobatics and semantic games that perfectly reason why actually it can be, but that doesn't make the conclusions drawn from them any less false.
The fixed and unchangeable gender binary is, for all practical intents and purposes, a biological law of the universe. Attempts to dislodge it, or downgrade it to a social construct, or to artfully sidestep it while still trying to cherry-pick parts of it, may even sound sensible step-by-step, but when the end result is in denial of obvious reality it just collapses. Yes modernity is sick, humans suffer all kinds of ailments of the mind, and maybe you can get some of them to endure it better when you screw with their (quite possibly already screwed-up) hormones and they distract themselves with a funny new identity.
But it's not real. "Trans-Men" aren't men and "Trans-Women" aren't women. It's so extremely obviously not real. How could it? It's so very obviously a social contagion, a fashion, a delusion. Humans have always been men and women, and always will be, and whatver the hell is going on nowadays is very much smoke and mirrors, and not some true and honest third way hitherto hidden by malicious social convention.
It seems so brain-meltingly stupid. Quite on a level with flat-earthers, far beneath even creationists or anthoposophy or astrology, somewhere down there in the otherwise unplumbed depths of outrageous falsehood presented as soul-saving truth.
Or so it strongly seems to me. Obviously it does not do so to you. Obviously there are many people willing to modify and mutilate themselves for this belief, or at least to make themselves ridiculous for it. But also quite obviously, most if not all of them are mentally damaged, aligned with leftist-extremist politics, and otherwise not to be taken at their word. But obviously again, I would say that. "Obvious" does a lot of work here, and obviously "obvious" is not an arugment, no matter how obvious it may seemt o me.
Plese give me the actual argument for transgenderism. Or the strongest ones. I promise to try my damndest to take it seriously. Maybe you can wear me down over time. I might be wrong. I often am.
It's an amazing work, and the perfect lead-in to the Zimiamvian Trilogy. You'll know whether this work is to your taste and if not, then don't bother. Eddison definitely had his own view of the perfect life and how it should be lived, and it's not really a Christian one but pagan. But it's fantastic world-building and genuinely both familiar and alien.
Yeah. Having concluded my second read-through of TWO, I'm now getting started on Zimiamvia. I picked Mistress of Mistresses at random, feel free to correct me on that and point me at a better starting point.
And everybody loves Lord Gro! I love Lord Gro! Even Tolkien liked him, though he didn't like Eddison's worldview:
Lord Gro deserves the attention. He's the perpetual outsider, someone who clearly does not fit into the world he inhabits, yet fulfills vital roles (seriously, look at any major Witchland campaign and somewhere there's a "and by the by it was Lord Gro who came up with the winning move" in there), and gets ground up between these two aspects. He himself and the narration make that very clear - he serves a higher principle, not earthly masters, but in the end he's still human and craves human contact and status and romance and, having thoroughly ruined his prospects at those, he implodes. It's a tragic story, but couldn't have gone any other way, with such a character in such a world.
Everyone can see a bit of Gro in themselves. Every time some personal idiosyncrasy goes against the current of the world, or when one chooses to turn from the noise of society to walk into nature instead, or when one tries hard to contribute to the commons but either fails directly or fails to be appreciated for it, one can feel a little Gro. At least I often do; Lord Gro certainly resonates with me, even as the ideals I try to live up to are more like Lord Corund. That those two are friends and share a lot of scenes together seems fitting; almost opposites as they are.
Southkraut
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2d ago
Volk is often used as a metonym for Rasse, though, or just used interchangeably due to semantic sloppiness. I wouldn't read too much into it.
Actually a good example, thanks.
But would the Amish work if they weren't embedded inside a larger country?
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