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Neither will Israel starve Gaza into releasing the hostages nor will Hamas rape Israel into recognizing a free Palestine. Nor were either Nazi Germany or the UK ever going to bomb each other into submission.

And yet Germany was starved into submission in WWI, Japan bombed into submission in WWII, Tigray starved/bombed into submission in Ethiopia, etc.

Both phrasings imply that there is some level of suffering at which point the other side will give in, that the cruelty is instrumental to achieve another terminal goal.

Yes, it is a truism that war is politics by other means.

While this might even be technically true (i.e. once the last Gazan starves, nobody will stop the IDF from retrieving the bones of the hostages) I think that the implication "and we already have made progress into making the other side give in" is simply false.

Your strawmanning aside, that's a nice hunch you have there - a shame if someone were to...test it.

In reality there is no clever terminal goal for which starving Gazans or murdering Jewish civilians is an instrumental stepping stone, so we can conclude that the cruelty is itself a terminal goal.

Blind assertion without evidence. It's quite clear that murdering Jewish civilians is envisaged as an instrumental stepping stone to "liberating" Israeli territory for Palestinians - Hamas and other Palestinian organizations openly say so. And it's not as if there is any shortage of Israeli press squabbling about the blockade, food aid issues, and what the ultimate political program that Israel should be pursuing w/r/t Gaza is (downstream of "10/7 can never happen again" of course), none of which you discuss or cite.

American soldiers wouldn't be shooting innocent civilians, especially unarmed children in the process of trying to obtain food

Are you really sure about that?

It's buying enemies in the Islamic world

Ah yes, enemies.

Given that IDF service is mandatory for everyone except the haredim, asking an Israeli about their opinion on the IDF is literally "do you like yourself and your neighbors?" - not terribly meaningful, or a useful reflection of Israeli opinion on state policy.

If Hamas had the military power to actually accomplish this, that would make their actions less pointlessly evil.

As I understand it, the original conception for Oct. 7 was a surprise Hamas break-out, coupled with a simultaneous large-scale Hezbollah offensive, would pincer Israel and overwhelm its local defenses, potentially sufficiently to spark sympathetic uprisings in the West Bank or among Israeli arabs as well.

Notably, the Hezbollah component of the attack didn't happen, and good for the Israelis that it didn't because in terms of raw numbers of fighters and weapons, Hezbollah had a lot more than Hamas (prior to Operation Grim Beeper and collateral airstrikes, at least).

About as insightful a comment as "Eh, they are not 'free Palestine' raped yet" would have been about Oct 7th.

Except that's a meaningful statement - "the acts of war undertaken so far have been insufficient to compel a favorable political resolution" - just glibly phrased.

If you are the Israeli government, then yes, the lives of your citizens are more important than the lives of an adversary. That's what it means to be a nation-state.

Same for the US. I would expect the American government to prioritize the lives of Americans held abroad above the lives of citizens of enemy - or even of third party neutral - countries.

Even "pariah states" have friends somewhere; e.g. North Korea and the PRC.

Except there was a really loud leftist/arab group celebrating Oct. 7 basically immediately. There were "Al Aqsa Flood"/pro-Palestinian parades/celebratory demonstrations in several US cities in early October, 2024, and lots of random hang-glider imagery.

Huh! Interesting. What about a siege of a medieval city - not a fortress with just a military garrison, but an actual significant permanent settlement, probably including nearby farmers, villagers, etc who fled for the "safety" of the town when the attackers showed up - when the attacking army encircles the city and doesn't allow anyone or anything in or out?

Does Israel actually want to be the ones distributing aid?

Yes, because they can prevent it from being directly hijacked by Hamas. (What hamas fighters do to Palestinians who take food to homes outside of Israeli-controlled safe zones is different, but that's a lot less efficient for Hamas than just seizing/being handed the aid while it's still loaded on the trucks as the UN was doing).

It was my impression that they kind of like the current situation, where Gaza mostly starves but it's not their fault directly

No, because that way Hamas controlled the aid and could continue to starve the population while keeping all the goodies for themselves to enable further armed resistance/rebuilding after the ultimate end of the war - and it will end, because the IDF doesn't have the full-time soldiery to keep up this occupation without calling up large numbers of reservists and disrupting the civilian economy.

Israel is a small state that is going to be in constant conflict with everyone and everything around them.

This is incorrect.

They have dug the world's largest tunnel network to shelter military personnel, deliberately intermingled it with the civilian population and vital civilian infrastructure, and denied those civilians the ability to shelter in it. They are trying to get their people killed.

War crimes are only crimes insofar as both sides can agree to - and actually do - abide by particular rules of warfare, either customary or explicit by treaty. Insofar as one party either verbally refuses to or actually breaches those rules, they lose the protection of the rules and are subject to the whim of whatever the opposing party wants to do them (and can actually do/get away with doing).

Even the Red Cross accepts the concept of reprisal as a means of forcing non-conforming belligerents to shape up and fly right.

No, because the Western-left position is oikophobic, and Israel is coded western and white because they're rich, technologically advanced, and don't play the noble savage or starving charity case. Also, there are a lot of thoroughly-assimilated western jews who in actuality have about as much to do with west bank settlers as boston unitarians have with Egyptian copts, but who fill in the western mind when they think of "jew." Also, the left has been hijacked by opportunistic arab/islamic in-group pandering.

As a result, the left is going to be anti-zionist until Israel either disappears or creates a desert and calls it peace.

I think it is entirely reasonable to hold Israel to a higher standard than Hamas. If I held the Israel government only to the standard of Hamas (whom I consider murderous thugs who need to be wiped from the face of the earth), then I would have to concede that it would be a good thing if NATO invaded Israel and occupied them for a few decades until they learned better.

No offense, but this is insane moon-logic to me, and I need help grokking it. It's completely alien to the traditional logic of international law - “it is impossible to visualize the conduct of hostilities in which one side would be bound by rules of warfare without benefitting from them, and the other side would benefit from rules of warfare without being bound by them.” (H. Lauterpacht, “The Limits of Operation of the Law of War” (1953) 30 British Year Book of Int’l Law 206, 212).

I think even I might finally be calling it a genocide. There's a fixed amount of food that must be imported for survival, and Israel isn't meeting that, and so it's obviously their responsibility.

Is this a genocide?

You don’t want a non-masculine mid to ever be professing “fascism” in public.

And yet, Goebbels.

No, the major ones in the public imagination (Spain, Italy, Germany) were as much or more in reaction to powerful, organized, and street-level-thuggish communist parties in their countries than they were a backlash against old aristocracy. In fact, a major reason the fascists beat the communists was that the old aristocracy lined up behind the fascists, on the theory that anything was better than getting expropriated and lined up against a wall by bolsheviks.

Is there an example of a near-fascist state with significant ethnic diversity that's succeeded ?

Depends on what you mean by "succeeded", but Getulio Vargas in Brazil comes to mind as a potential example here. And Salazar in Portugal wasn't ultimately successful - his regime didn't outlive him - but lusotropicalism was the opposite of ethnically-exclusive; Salazar envisaged Angola, Mozambique, Goa, Timor, etc. as integral parts of Portugal itself.

Except that Cal Code of Civil Procedure 116.530 clearly states that attorneys can only appear in small claims court unless (1) they are party to the claim themselves in a personal capacity, (2) they're a member of a partnership whose members are all attorneys, or (3) they are an officer or director of a professional corporation whose officers/directors are all attorneys.

And section 116.540 specifies the form in which a corporation or other business association shall appear, which is "only through a regular employee, or a duly appointed or elected officer or director, who is employed, appointed, or elected for purposes other than solely representing the corporation in small claims court."

Small claims court is different.

things like small claims court where a company sending a lawyer to show up and handle things would be more expensive than just giving the person suing you some money to drop the case.

I don't know about where you are, but in CA the whole point of small claims court is that a lawyer can't represent someone; it's fully in pro per by requirement.

I mean, yes, compared to the utterly defanged western europeans the Ukranians are fearsome. But I thought that the main lesson of this war has been Russia's incompetence and that their military production/procurement seems to be corrupt as hell and mostly faking their "advanced" capabilities.

...No? That's literally the opposite of what I said. "Use value" assumes some objective, rational value of "use"; exchange value includes all the irrational feelings and opinions people can have about goods and services like risk aversion, FOMO, status, or just idiosyncratic preference. People also make secondary bets on what other people will find useful/interesting/worth buying, introducing further fuzziness into the system.

That's not commodity fetishism; it's the opposite. Recognizing that when people are buying things, they're not just buying things - they're communicating with other people as well.

The US Army is so far behind we're bragging about just being able to drop grenades from drones

Why assume the public-facing releases are actually the state of the force?