Tacherus
29d ago
So hypothetically, if I think the President is giving illegal orders to the military, or might, it’s out of bounds to say that to soldiers?
The closest I can get to agreeing is seeing it as an escalation and playing with fire. Something like “a soldier’s duty to disobey illegal orders is extremely serious and can have extremely serious consequences don’t fuck around with it as part of your political posturing.” Is that accurate?
Tacherus
29d ago
You’re right and I’ve revised my view after watching the videos. Somehow what I was picturing from description alone was pretty different.
Tacherus
29d ago
You’re right and I’ve revised my view after watching the videos. Somehow what I was picturing from description alone was pretty different.
Tacherus
29d ago
You’re right and I’ve revised my view after watching the videos. Somehow what I was picturing from description alone was pretty different.
Tacherus
29d ago
I am also not a soldier but my understanding was we actually have a pretty strong tradition of relying on the judgment of ground troops as to whether or not an order is illegal.
Tacherus
29d ago
Has that been confirmed or you’re going off the video? It looks like it from the far away angle but I don’t feel certain from that alone.
Tacherus
29d ago
I didn't follow that one too closely but it seemed like what he said is just...true, isn't it? Was the issue the implication?
Tacherus
29d ago
You’re right the point that out—I’m being brief because I’m on my phone but my full complaint was it seems a bit chickenshit to make the game life or death and then appeal to fearing for your life. If you didn’t want your life at risk don’t step in front of the car.
Tacherus
29d ago
I think you’re conflating “made a bad choice” with “escalating.” She didn’t make the options life or death, though she evidently chose the latter (from watching it it’s not clear there was any intent to harm him).
He helped set the terms. I’m not saying it’s all on him but I’d be pretty surprised if he doesn’t regret stepping in front of that car.
Tacherus
29d ago
I made no mention of a right to escape. I’m just observing that it’s silly to unnecessarily make an escape attempt put your life at risk then hide behind fear for your life when an easy to anticipate behavior occurs.
I think it was dumb to run don’t get me wrong but I don’t see why we should accept “fear for my life” as some kind of blanket excuse.
The police officer changed the outcomes from { arrest, gets away } to { arrest, someone dies }
I agree she chose badly but I still think it was stupid to turn this into a situation where someone might die.
If he weren’t in front of the car and she’d fled would you endorse him shooting at the car to stop her?
Right that makes sense.
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