So now I guess it would be fine to have Morgan's sons under microscope and digging up any potential problematic antisemitic, misogynistic and racist behavior if they are such exemplars of uprightness. From now on to forever.
From what I understand his wife is a public figure who made a bunch of "funny" comments about Piers publicly. It isn't fun but she put it out there.
No. I think that it is a distraction and a low blow. I think it is a normal gentlemen's agreement not to bring family into such a debate, even if people brought their family up before themselves
In that case, Coates himself brought it up as part of a discussion on his evolution on Israel iirc. It's sort of odd to me that no one else can do the same, for the exact same reasons.
Like, it's one thing to defend Fuentes for being defensive given his strange life and because he's afraid of violence or his dad being fired but it was literally bringing up his own anecdote for the exact same reasons.
His father was not there to defend himself about such a wild speculation and accusation. It is just not right.
Given that his dad never appears on Fuentes' streams (AFAIK) this sort of argument functions more as a good reason Fuentes should never have put that into the world. He already put his father in that position. There actually isn't a firewall between what Fuentes says on stream to hardcores and what comes out in the more mainstream outlets especially when Fuentes is doing a promotional tour on said outlets.
Tanista
21hr ago
Obviously no one should go to her house but it's not that hard a case. They're both public figures. He spouted off at the mouth, she did so too, multiple times. I don't know that anyone outside of groypers care but you can obviously bring up the state of his marriage if he's bringing it up and putting others down.
His sons are what would give me pause but I can't recall what context they were brought up in. I'd hope young kids could be kept out of it.
Assume Nick Fuentes was some rando leftist, like Ta-Nehisi Coates, would it be fair to bring up things his dad said about politics when asking about his own left radical views?
Tanista
21hr ago
By the way Piers Morgan also mentioned his wife Celia Walden numerous times on his show. He literally mentioned his sons during this show, showcasing how empathetic and upright they are. Does this mean that Morgan's family is now fair game for any future discussion with him?
The behavior of his wife is literally one of the main rebuttals being used by Fuentes fans right now.
Fuentes did not reply, because he did not want to drag his father into this. He did not want to apologize or even explain his fathers behavior, because frankly it is none of Morgan's business.
Fuentes made it Morgan's business by putting it out there. Sorry, he pussied out. This was, to use OP's language, a shit-test where he didn't agree and amplify or even deflect, he just got angry and all of that Zoomer irony and unapologetic energy fell away.
Morgan did more harm to his cause than if he was muted but it's kind of absurd to think that we can't question a man who admits he's racist about potentially racist statements his dad made that he publicized and how that might have shaped his worldview from the start.
The modern leftist intellectual doesn't have any knowledge about why they think what they think
Modern intellectual leftists (the ones who get repeatedly booked anyway) often have a very elaborate theory of why they believe what they believe. Maybe it doesn't hold up but they can spin those assumptions out enough to fill up the time in a debate. And they'll at least have a set of anecdotes about why black people commit crime or the Middle East is a basket case because of the US. They'll at least have a filibuster. Piers sat around pretending to not get per capita.
I don't know if he's even a leftist, I think Piers is just a boomer from a genteel time when We Don't Discuss These Things (and, from his perspective, they weren't really major problems yet). And not a particularly smart or reflective one. My understanding is that his main talents are shamelessness and social climbing. Things have gone well for him, so why would he really think too hard about anything?
The stories out of Canada(which many people might not realize are from Canada) probably make it worse.
Ah, the old Canadian Internet Theory.
That said, when the tariffs first hit I was surprised at how many angry Canadians who'd otherwise pass I saw in the comment section of (EDIT: American) right wing youtubers.
This would matter if a) Europeans didn't already pay vastly more attention to US elections than the US does to theirs (it would not be a throwaway story if GOP volunteers came to the UK to campaign for Farage the way a few Labour volunteers worked for Harris) and b) there's any evidence that this would have a large impact.
America is just too polarized for it to matter. There are some Americans who love to be thought of well by Europeans but those people are now all in the Democratic Party. It doesn't really matter much to the populists and the right wingers are well aware that the elite class of Europe looks down on them for their coarse ways. Americans just don't have to care, frankly. Elections are for beating the near enemy.
Besides, there's an obvious power differential here. "Hit him back just as hard" is good advice for the playground but probably not smart here.
"Have police arrest more criminals while being less violent and more discerning" was not a significant camp in the BLM discourse, eithe
Because the BLM awakening (especially post-Floyd) wasn't actually about police brutality. It was about conjuring a scapegoat for the general failure of an entire community, one acceptable to both white and black educated classes.
Your solution is a solution to some problem, but not the one people care about. The result of more effective police would be to make the failure even more visible without the face-saving excuse.
There's no want for agency. A whole lot of effort is being expended, a bunch of plans are constantly made and acted on. It's more that only plans that fit a narrow window of acceptable discourse are even legible let alone tolerable.
Wait until you find out how much top entertainers in other disciplines make. Actors, models, sports stars...
A significant amount of the resentment towards mainstream celebrities who are political opponents is caused by this too I feel. It's explicitly the justification for "shut up and dribble"
Ingraham said she was not interested in the political advice from "someone who gets paid $100 million a year to bounce a ball."
There's an additional wrinkle with Bonnie Blue (and some streamers who basically sell antisocial behavior like Johnny Somali or Logan Paul during his forest-exploring days also fall into the same bucket) because people probably think she represents a particularly corrosive mainstreaming of shamelessness. Is she significantly more attractive than some of the top pornstars over the last fifty years of the category? Not really. Is she more of a degenerate on camera? No. I'm not sure she's even richer than Jenna Jameson or others of that level. What she does exploit is the total breakdown of any cordon around this sort of behavior due to the internet and sites like Onlyfans.
Yes, he was! You just reminded me of this excruciating clip.
I'm doubling down on my "just a bit thick" diagnosis.
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