Titus_1_16
11mo ago
Eh, tastes vary and, while distributions differ, there are attractive women of every race. Personally (anecdata doesn't count etc I know) I've met women with very Bantoid features, dark skin etc whom I was attracted to and thought beautiful. Certainly for me personally it's not an aesthetic malus, pragmatic considerations aside.
I'd think it likelier that the white man in question just likes black women, rather than making the best of things. Women are pretty good at sniffing out genuine interest, better than men, and I'd imagine the black women in question (given that she's described as "nerdy" AKA intelligent) could discern if the level of interest were up to standard or not
Maybe I'm overly optimistic, dunno
Titus_1_16
11mo ago
Your "ought" question is actually just a second "is" question
Titus_1_16
11mo ago
Rock music and alternative subcultures
Bear in mind the parents of @Eupraxia paired off in the past
Lots of the black girls who might view white guys as suitable mates, especially in the past when music was more racially segregated, were into goth/grunge/punk/metal/emo/scene - interest in all these genres is also associated with common mental illnesses, particularly depression, and creativity generally
Titus_1_16
11mo ago
2/4 - I'd call that a misfire for my stereotyping. In my defence, I wrote that yesterday in the pub, it being St Patrick's day.
The appearance thing is something I'd noticed too, that WMBF tend to look like they have more euro ancestry. It's super interesting to me, though I disagree with @hydroacetylene that this is because white men pair off with black women who have more euro admixture. If the white man in question were all about lighter-skinned women, he could just.... pair off with literally any other race if woman instead. It would be strange to go to an Italian restaurant, and pick the least Italian dish they serve; I'd simply choose another restaurant if that were my preference.
My hypothesis is that it's not anything to do with different ratios of euro to SSA inheritance, but rather something psychological to do with identity development and the relationship this has specifically to fathers - men and women both tend to more influenced by the surface "tag" component of their father's identity than their mothers. Biracial people generally have some control over how black or white they appear - hairstyle, makeup, clothes, tanning habits, overall habitus My guess is WMBF biracial people tend more to view both of their inheritances as equally integrated, and their self-presentation reflects this
Titus_1_16
11mo ago
I'm biracial myself (white dad, black mom)
Slay, king. I genuinely had no idea while writing this, and wasn't trying to do some weird suck-up thing about the better outcomes for black-mum biracials. Do you agree on the possibility of reliably discerning white-mum and black-mum biracials?
A few further guesses here, for perfect stereotype accuracy - it'd be amazing if you let me know the accuracy of any of this, also feel free to tell me to fuck off. I'll limit myself to stuff that shouldn't be immediately inferable from the racial fact of their marriage (eg your folks are relatively open-minded, and your dad's overall less racist than your mum - no shit)
1)your mum's a bit nerdy and 2)benignly snobbish. 3) She's experienced at least one incident of serious depression 4) Your dad is quite a kind guy
Titus_1_16
11mo ago
To honour Ireland's patron saint, you should try to transcribe how "Folamh" is pronounced
Titus_1_16
11mo ago
I wouldn't say the challenge would be sample size so much as a robust criterion for people of different races who share a culture. Seems like a dialect vs language problem; ie the boundaries would be pretty arbitrary. And also, you'd clearly have personality confounders in eg a black American who says they share a culture with white Americans vs a black American who would deny same
Titus_1_16
11mo ago
Actually I'd greatly respect the chutzpah of someone with, say, half Croatian and half Ashkenazi parentage who declared themselves biracial on that basis
Depends who you ask I guess
Inter-ethnic might be a better term
Titus_1_16
11mo ago
There's something subtly absurd about the use of the term "race-mixing" that gave me a chuckle there, nice
Otherwise this seems like a super super broad question. Are you asking about the psychological impact of doing a race-mix with someone, or the typical profile of a person who's inclined to racemix, or traits over-represented in their resultant offspring, or...?
Since it's a super-broad question, I'll toss in a couple of unscientific observations I find interesting.
First, in biracial people with one SSA-descended parent and one Euro-descended parent - those with a white dad are practically a different ethny to those with a white mum. This isn't hyperbole -I can very reliably discern white-dad from white-mum biracials with about the same accuracy I can discern western and southern Africans, say. And it's interesting because the world at large doesn't seem to put much stock in this distinction - I can't imagine environmental effects can plausibly account for the difference, rather it's because white men who shack up with black women tend to be very different in profile from white women who get knocked up by black men.
White-dad biracials are more upwardly mobile, competent, typically identify more with the white part of their ancestry once the dad is still present, and don't seem particularly blighted as a group. White-mum biracials are cut from different cloth entirely
I'm curious if there are other bi-racial pairings whose offspring differ greatly based on which parent is which ethnicity. I could see Jewish-Christian matches showing some interesting patterns, dependent on country. Arab-Euro matches might also have an interesting assymetry
Titus_1_16
11mo ago
That's actually a really great example of what I meant yeah
Of course, the motivation for a lot of retro-homo-spotters is more often a fervent desire to see boys kiss than homophobic revulsion at same
Titus_1_16
11mo ago
young men that look a bit gay have not been smothered by concern trolls who insinuate they're actually gay
I'd say the main trade-off to our contemporary Western settlement on The Gay Question is that it has cast in suspicion huge swathes of male friendship, more than it has caused effete men to have a particularly harder time than they would have otherwise
It's a commonplace observation that male friendship outside the West can look pretty gay to modern Western eyes. Men holding hands, openly prioritising male relationships ahead of their romantic one with a woman, openly declaring love for one another, a warmth and intimacy that seems gay as hell to me, frankly, as a typical Western man.
It's also a commonplace observation that there's a crisis of loneliness in the West, more acutely among men, and downstream increases in depression, misery, suicidality and addiction and all the rest.
I don't think these two facts are unrelated, and I think that's quite a heavy burden that all Western men, and the women that like them, have borne for the ostensible liberation of our irrepressibly-gay brothers
Titus_1_16
11mo ago
The Michelle Obama trans thing is a good example of the trade-offs that social liberalisation impose.
Like, back in the late 2000s, when Michelle Obama was not any more popular on the American right than today, I don't recall anyone proposing that she was trans, simply because "trans" was not on most people's radar.
Michelle Obama, and millions of other mannish-looking women, have been negatively impacted by trans liberation. Trans liberation has brought it into the realm of the thinkable, the reasonable, that any given mannish woman or petite man could in fact be biologically not their presenting gender. What previously would have been only a cruel, childish insinuation now has to be... seriously considered?
30 years ago, in a workplace, if someone had suggested that Sandra with the square shoulders, or Sarah with the sharp brow, was in fact a transsexual - this would just straightforwardly be a (fireable) insult. Now though, the same woman can be concern-trolled and made insecure by ostensible tolerance.
It's as though, in a future which continues leftward socially, we were to see emancipation of incest and "motherfucker?" become a polite and reasonable query.
I really feel for these mannish girls. When I was a teenager, I went out with a beautiful girl who nonetheless had kind of a square jaw - more square than mine anyway. She was terribly insecure generally (like most teenaged girls?) and I happened across an old photo of the pair of us in my parents' house yesterday and thought, damn, the way the shadow falls on our faces there - a 2020s teen might well read this pretty 2000s girl as actually trans
Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.
But actually there clearly is, or at least, it's reasonable that even an otherwise orthodoxly liberal young woman might not want to be read by strangers (potential romantic partners particularly) as MtF. There is a certain harm imposed by this.
The general public is no good at Bayes - there are quite a lot more mannish-looking women around than there are genuine MtFs. Yet now young people, even when looking at old photos from the twentieth century, are apparently having their trans-radars ping on like pictures of dowdy kitchen maids and 1940s housewives
An interesting point to consider in the utilitarian calculus of trans liberation
Titus_1_16
11mo ago
I find it unsurprising and troubling that your sister went into psychiatry, the wooliest field of medicine which is least amenable to objective oversight (ie a bad psych can go unmolested for a long time in a way that a bad anæsthesiologist can not)
From the description you've provided it's... A bit horrifying that your sister is actually practicing as a doctor. I'm sure she says she "can do it", but look - there were plenty of conmen throughout the twentieth century who practiced as doctors, successfully, without any medical training. Even surgeons! And I'm sure plenty of their colleagues would have said they were fine doctors, not knowing about their absent/fraudulent qualifications. Many conmen did this for years and years!
The fact that your sister has not yet run into a situation where her incapacity causes some public disaster is meh.
If the description you've provided is accurate, she doesn't have the requisite mental equipment to be a doctor, and it's a serious indictment of whatever country's medical school she graduated from that she's practicing as one. Horrifying tbh
Plenty of people aren't having/into the sort of struggle snuggles at volume that would make the strength difference apparent
Most people also just don't really think about things
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