ahobata
21d ago
I do nonetheless believe that the modal Israeli assigns greater moral value to members of his outgroup than the modal Palestinian does.
According to one n>2000 poll, if you're willing to equate judgments of the other side's "humanity" with judgments of their moral worth, the modal Israeli and Palestinian assign each other equal moral worth, namely 0/100:
The results show one of the most symmetrical mirror images – each side almost completely dehumanizes the other, and completely humanizes itself. This is another indication of mutual zerosum attitudes not only towards the conflict but at the human level. When characterizing their side, 83% of the Palestinians selected the number 80 or higher and 17% selected numbers less than 80. On average, Palestinians gave themselves a score of 88 out of 100 on the humanity scale. When characterizing the Israeli side, only 1% selected the number 80 or higher; 71% selected the number 0 and 27% selected a number between 1 and 50. On average, Palestinians gave Israeli Jews a score of 6 out of 100 on the humanity scale.
...However, Jewish Israeli views regarding the humanity of Palestinians show sweeping negative assessments, as a mirror image of the Palestinian view of Israeli Jews. Just 2.7% give a score above 80 for Palestinians. 92% give a score of 50 or lower; and among those, 42% gave the lowest possible score (zero). The average score was 14 (from 0-100). The portion who gave a score of zero to Palestinians regarding levels of humanity is higher among settlers (56%), and highest among the ultra-Orthodox (70%). There is hardly any difference between traditionalists and national religious Israelis – 57% ad 58%, respectively, give Palestinians a score of zero humanity, and 41% of seculars. The age gap is also prominent: 59% of young Israeli Jews (18-34) gave a score of zero, compared to 41% of those 55 and above.
Jewish Israelis are apparently slightly less inclined to dehumanize Palestinians than vice versa, but it's risible to suggest that the average (let alone the modal) Israeli is deeply moved by high-minded European notions about the intrinsic value of human life in their attitude towards Palestinians.
Yes, that seems obvious. The survey link I posted wasn't cherrypicked. I knew in advance what it would say contingent on it existing, because the Israeli/Zionist public, and even more so the IDF, barely attempt to conceal that their endogenous concern for the wellbeing of Palestinians runs neutral to negative. Where attempts at plausible deniability are made, the "plausible" part often seems to be defined against some platonically credulous interlocutor.
You make a clear demonstration of this, with your pre-emptive retreat to:
even though we were explicitly talking about moral value, if you recall two replies back:
This came in the middle of your grandstanding about how Israeli Zionists, unlike opportunistic woke "rape denialists", are not just "playing the game"; that they sympathize with the plight of Palestinians more authentically than feminists sympathize with women. That's already absurd -- you don't need to set woke humanity at greater than 0 to see it -- but to the point, it's a non-sequitur to fall back to "being pressured into acting as if we care counts as caring", just as it is to switch your foil from feminists to Hamas.
You are being deliberately slippery here, like elsewhere in the thread where you doubled down on your claim that there is video evidence of gang rape by adducing a source that there is video and there is evidence of gang rape, and then insisted that the person who called out your fabrication was being unreasonable and worse. You should be banned for that.
Preferences can only be revealed insofar as there are no external constraints.
It tells you that Israel has greater incentives and/or ability to delay gratification. What's your point?
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