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I think you may be using the term "post-modern" in a nonstandard/confusing way. AIUI postmodernism is specifically a rejection of the "modernist" ideology that flourished in the early part of the 20th century. We can vaguely gesture at some word associations:

  • Modern: science, reason, secularism, progress, legibility, imperialism, hegemony, technocracy, evenly-spaced rectangular grids, communism, capitalism, centralization, globalization
  • Postmodern: mysticism, ways-of-knowing, holistic, degrowth, localism, populism, -core/-punk, stuff like this, decolonization, marginalized voices, identity politics

So it seems what you're gesturing at is more accurately binned with the "modern -> postmodern" transition, which has been going on for a while now. Or do you claim we're entering a new stage, of "post-post-modernity"?

It seems the Bloody Code was only the tail end of it.

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/13rojx5/henry_viii_executed_nearly_70k_people_maybe_more/

perhaps 0.02% of the English population suffered death by execution in the average year of Henry [VIII]'s reign

Compare with modern-day Oklahoma, which tops the US rankings with 3.101 executions / 100,000 / 48 years, roughly 1/300 of Henry VIII's score.

I don't know how this compares to other parts of the world around the same time, but the other aspect of this is that executions will only bring about an improvement in social trust if they're administered in a somewhat "orderly" fashion, as punishments for crimes of which the accused is more-likely-than-not to be guilty. (A comparable death rate brought about by indiscriminate mass killing will not have the same effect.) In England I'd guess the legal execution regime prevailed at least 600-700 years, starting from the time of Henry II if not earlier.

I continually wonder how anywhere developed a high trust society in the first place.

Perhaps by centuries of punishing even the most minor offenses by death?

I'm not aware of anywhere else in the world it even exists.

Japan comes to mind, but I'm no expert.

ICE is deporting lots of people.

This is not really true; deportations now are being done at a lower rate than the Obama admin's average, and pretty much the same as in 2024 under Biden. See https://factchequeado.com/teexplicamos/20250820/obama-deportations-trump-biden-numbers/

The "theatricality" with the street recording / media backlash / DHS rebuttal cycle seems to be part of a PR strategy by the Trump admin to make it look like they're being tough on illegals without actually doing anything different.