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We've been doing detailed studies for 80 years!

And we still have this deep confusion about whats going on. Citing an old SSC post:

In 1965, some scientists locked people in a room where they could only eat nutrient sludge dispensed from a machine. Even though the volunteers had no idea how many calories the nutrient sludge was, they ate exactly enough to maintain their normal weight, proving the existence of a “sixth sense” for food caloric content.

Next, they locked morbidly obese people in the same room. They ended up eating only tiny amounts of the nutrient sludge, one or two hundred calories a day, without feeling any hunger. This proved that their bodies “wanted” to lose the excess weight and preferred to simply live off stored fat once removed from the overly-rewarding food environment. After six months on the sludge, a man who weighed 400 lbs at the start of the experiment was down to 200, without consciously trying to reduce his weight.

I think dietary science is an open field for this. 60 years of scientists bumbling around about monosaturaded vs polysatured fats, or whether carbs are good this year. How long to fast, when to eat a big meal, etc.

Reminds me of the per-rigerous calculus days, and one day a bright 17 year old with a simple model would find all our scientists embarrassingly naive

Modern leftish associated movements analyze these cases based on who has power. The weaker party is the victim and should be supported.

A moral realist question about "how evil it is to support the murder of jews" isn't going to get a consistent answer because it's not a question the framework really answers. Also the rules are also going to seem arbitrary because you'll be talking to different people within a movement who have different fault lines they care about.

The animating question is which faction has the ability to control the other side. Oppressor/Oppressed dynamics. The history of the conflict matters less than you think.

Kanye/Kneecaps -> rich celeb supporting white supremacy or small artist supporting Brown foreign causes.

Hamas/Israel -> If Israel stopped caring about civilians casualties they could flatten Gaza with little opposition. This makes them the powerful side, and therefore actions should be more scrutinized. The retaliation violence is the voice of the unheard.

See parallels to discussions about police violence vs protesters in 2020. See parallels to USA military operations in Vietnam.

I think that half of the effect of alcohol is entirely placebo. Legally and socially, we give a lot of slack to any behavior displayed while inebriated. So being drunk gives you plausible deniability to act on your desires (within reason) without being judged by society or yourself.

Somewhat i agree.

But also "Alcohol makes the deliberate thinky bits stop working as well" is way more true.

For a man: 4-6 beers in has a very obvious experience of wanting to talk to people and blurt out things at a party context is very obvious experience. Alcohol has a continuous curve of effects, and one can lean into or resist the influence, but at certain dosages this placebo theory is clearly not true.

Consider a series of internal thoughts at a party:

  1. I should tell that stranger their hat looks an 1800's portrait
  2. wait a second, i don't know them, might be awkward, don't know how to phrase the sentence
  3. but if i play up my drunkeness i can get away with this

My experience is that thoughts like 1 are (sometimes unconscious when shy inward focused) on a dose of alcohol simply blurted out on instinct before even getting to step 2. If low-alcohol or sufficiently neurotic part 2 might come up, which you imply would be half-placebo'd by thought 3. However if someone is sufficiently scared by 2 that they need the reassurance of 3, then they'll likely be paralyzed by part 4: "oh gosh they can tell i'm faking this i'm blowing it".

not only do outlaws lose the protection of the law, but anyone who uses force to defend of an outlaw becomes an outlaw themselves

the clause about transitive outlaw-ness complicates that. If my crazy friend Bob starts raving that he's driving over to settle this presidential outlaw business himself and I try to restrain him am I fair game now?

If the supreme court declares Donald Trump an outlaw tomorrow morning, I can picture some plausible cases where a suburban grampa has political disagreements with someone in the house, a physical struggle starts, then a gun gets pulled, and someone dies in a "legal murder"

In these extreme cases some violence across the nation is maybe impossible to avoid, but it doesn't need to be sanctified.

Is the "symbolically true" position (lobsterifically or otherwise) a separate thing from these or is it vacuous and not worth categorizing?

The idea that religion metaphors contain deep truth that cann't be said straightforwardly for whatever reason. Rhymes with that the purpose of fiction to tell deeper truths than reality. Something zen idk.

Peterson himself seems closer to a 3, when he's talking about "marxist assault on traditional modes of being"

I would love being in academia if it meant I could just focus on being a competent lecturer, and not have to worry about constantly publishing “groundbreaking new works” within my chosen field.

This is the job of a professor at a smaller state school !

Big schools prize themselves on all the groundbreaking research the professors do, but smaller schools sometimes brag about how focused the profs are on teaching

Look for a school touting student :: faculty ratios, and you could find somewhere emphasizing educational connection