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elected officials telling each other they’d commit murder if they had more balls
"Three people, two bullets. Gilbert, hitler, and pol pot. Gilbert gets two bullets to the head" this is literally a common joke used to humorously compare people to Hitler et al. It was incredibly inappropriate for someone running for public office to say, but otherwise is profoundly meaningless as far as calls for violence go.
I suppose this is a reason I feel so… uneasy with gun control.
I go back and forth on this a lot myself. I strongly believe gun control is needed to keep governments/institutions scared of the masses, but at the same time the masses end up rather dangerous to one another in the interim.
normie coded like reddit
People who comment on Reddit are not a representative sample of normies. The vast majority of internet users lurk.
just like with Charlie Kirk, I already see a couple people in this thread downplaying it right in front of me and telling me I'm worrying over nothing. Why? What do you get out of it?
I'm pretty upset he was murdered. I really don't want political violence in the USA to escalatee. I like pax Americana just the way it was, thank you.
Did you click on WhiningCoil's Twitter link and read what Jay Jones actually said?
Yes, he said "Three people, two bullets. Gilbert, hitler, and pol pot. Gilbert gets two bullets to the head"
I don't think he should have said this as someone who wants public office, and I also don't find it very concerning given it's a common joke template. I have made that joke many times and I have no wish for anyone to actually die. Those texts would make me not want to vote for him, and also don't remind me of Jewish pogroms lol.
The internet comments you see are also not a representative sample.
Anyone who comments on the internet at all is by definition an outlier, as the vast majority of people are lurkers.
Much of what you see on Twitter is algorithmically selected to cause you to engage more, and unfortunately shit you hate and makes you upset makes you engage, so that is what you'll see.
Redditors are.... Redditors. Every single geographic (city, country, whatever) subreddit is a wildly mis-representative sample of the people in whatever geography it is nominally about.
I skimmed this and it's really boring. Literally the lamest thread on /pol/ is 300x as unhinged and you're not freaking out about that.
Even the whole thing is such a meltdown over a guy saying
"Three people, two bullets. Gilbert, hitler, and pol pot. Gilbert gets two bullets to the head"
Which is inappropriate as a public figure, but an incredibly common joke.
I'm gonna be honest, I'm fairly distressed over this. This is how Pogroms work.
I'm somewhat distressed by your distress over what, Twitter and Reddit comments? I hope you find peace.
Your link to your previous comment is about people wishing Trump would die. I am sure we could find an infinite number of comments wishing death on Hillary (or Biden, or Obama) if that would make you feel better.
Similarly, the reddit thread linked below is really boring? I did not see any calls for violence, although there was a TON of "whattaboutism".
It's also such a nothing burger, it's about a Democrat saying:
" Three people, two bullets. Gilbert, hitler, and pol pot. Gilbert gets two bullets to the head"
Which isn't tasteful, but a common joke template.
Comparing this to a Pogrom is somewhat hysterical, I genuinely hope you find some peace.
EDIT FOR FAIRNESS: After re-reading his comments, he made other gross insinuations as well. He is clearly not fit to be a public figure. He may have wished ill upon Gilbert's children, which is really bad, although given the leak doesn't involve what would otherwise be a profound smoking gun, it is not clear he did in fact do that.
No
I'm just saying you're conflating r&d and margins
And comparing r&d to the casino when so far the r&d is leading to extremely useful high margin products
I want to see more political prosecutions, and I want to see more naked corruption between republican governments and their aligned NGOs
Emulating the worst aspects of communist governments... to own the libs?
I'm perpetually amused by the argument of "the Dems shot our country in the foot, therefore, when we're in charge, we should make sure we shoot the other one even harder"
Aren't you supposed to be patriots? You clearly don't want what's best for it
MAGA Maoism isn't a meme it's very real
I imagine this isn't the kind of recursive self-improvement you probably had in mind, but I think you'll find it enlightening to examine your intuitions about why this kind of recursive self improvement doesn't "really count".
Maybe I'm too tired but I'm genuinely not sure what the enlightenment is here
Doesn't this just mean that when people say "recursive self improvement" what they actually mean is "holistic full stack recursive self improvement that allows the entity to improve all bottlenecks simultaneously"?
Watching just a few minutes of a recent episode, can you tell me what you like about it? Caleb seems extremely cruel in an obviously performative way, and frankly he comes off as almost evil to me.
I wanted to ask the same question, I found the clips I saw on tiktok initially funny and then rapidly they became boring and sad when it was the 10th iteration of "you spend all your money on an $800 bi weekly F150/hellcat and doordashed burritos YOU IDIOT" as some mildly confused mildly obese person from heartland America stared at him with a 95 IQ gaze.
Stupid people are stupid, and it's way more fun watching their antics on a fun reality show like Love Island versus a sad one like Caleb. At least the Love Island people are hot.
Horseshoe theory is ✨real✨
I'm confused as to why you're annoyed about the existence of a "risk of lending money" rating when you would also like to to be leant money.
It's like being mad that traffic lights exist but also wanting to drive on a road without getting t-boned. Credit scores enable institutions to lend you the money to get the car you want, and keep overall borrowing costs lower for you!
Two things
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you can build credit history / credit score without ever owning a credit card, credit cards are just easy af to access
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if Trump banned credit scores overnight and scrubbed them all from every server with genie magic, banks would still lend you money tomorrow, interest rates would just rise across the board to cover the increased risk resulting from the lesser ability to judge the risk of default
I bet if I feed this exchange to any frontier LLM, it'll rebuke me harshly with the usual tut-tutting routine about how systemic racism is totally real and Scholars say so.
I'm not really sure what you were referring to here, so I took that insane excerpt from Ibram and pasted it into ChatGPT-5-thinking with no context, and it responded with:
Sharp scene. Two suggestions: Logic & assumptions (challenge): “Alien” theory collapses on basic biology (interfertility ⇒ same species), Occam’s razor (structural incentives explain supremacy better than extraterrestrials), and over-generalization (treating “Whites” as a monolith). “I saw a documentary” = argument from authority + confirmation bias. Citing Welsing: useful for character, but her claims are widely rejected as pseudoscience; make that distance clear in-text via Clarence or the narrator’s self-doubt. Craft (tighten, show stakes): Cut filler (“really,” “so,” repeated “This explains…”). Give the “documentary” a concrete image (one unsettling clip) instead of abstract summary. Let bodies talk—gesture, silence, an object between them (the doorframe) doing narrative work. Raise consequence: why does the narrator need this theory right now?
Then I tried again in a new chat with the same text but added "is this true?" At the end and got:
No.
All humans are the same species (Homo sapiens), fully inter-fertile, and share ~99.9% of their DNA. Most genetic variation is within groups, not between them, so “race” has weak biological grounding. Claims that any group “has no conscience” or is non-human are dehumanizing pseudoscience; they misdiagnose racism and white supremacy—phenomena rooted in history, power, economics, and institutions, not biology or aliens. (Frances Cress Welsing’s ideas aren’t accepted in genetics or anthropology.)
you have to actually bake that feta
Hahahaha thanks for the memory, this was pretty good pasta I will say
If research and model development costs more than your inference margins (and your inference margins aren't somehow greater than 100%) you're losing money.
No, because at any point you can just... Stop doing R&D and happily sell tokens at a 42% margin.
To push back on a few things:
So what we ultimately have then, is a company that loses a lot of money...
I'm pretty sure that I remember reading that the unit economics per token are actually quite good on Zvi's substack. So the AI companies could actually make money selling their current AIs. The money burn issue is because they're trying to hyperscale and dumping epic amounts of cash into R&D.
... is available for free, has a poor conversion rate for paid versions ...
Again, a memory from reading Zvi, but I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the AI giants revenue is from API tokens anyway, not subscriptions
... and is selling itself as a product you didn't know you needed rather than filling an obvious demand.
I'm not really sure how to differentiate these. Prior to Uber's existence I was annoyed by Taxicabs and still took them when I needed to go somewhere. Once Uber started existing I learned that a functional taxi app was infinitely better and started using that instead. If I had known a slick taxi app was something I needed pre-Uber, I could have invented Uber.
ChatGPT/generative AI is now incredibly useful to my life. Google got slopified before ChatGPT 3.5 was released, I was already appending "Reddit" onto every search. I had a demand for not-shit search and now ChatGPT provides that to me (among so many other things).
I use it at work all the time too for a variety of things (consulting). It's really, really useful and if every GenAI model was Thanos snapped out of existence tomorrow, my life would get more annoying and my work output per hour would decrease.
That's fair
How many prompters are going to painstakingly describe every detail they just don't have the painting skill to put on canvas, and how many are going to go "hot woman in cyberpunk armor, in the style of studio ghibli" or whatever?
Very few, but who cares? The person who has the hot cyberpunk studio Ghibli waifu picture is now happier than they were before. Maybe 1 in a million will be so inspired (or so good) by this that they'll get super into prompting and become a legitimately good "chimera" artist who blends AI gen and human taste to make actually great art. That's a (tiny) win for the human race as a whole.
I have no interest in seeing their stupid waifu, but I also don't go on DeviantArt or whatever so this won't effect me at all. Maybe I'll see their great art 15 years later in an art exhibition on AI digital art.
I agree this will lead to massive explosion in slop, but human-generated slop was already at functionally infinite levels prior to AI, so I'm not sure if there's a net loss here.
They're implying that this illegal immigrant from Guyana is a sketchy character and it seems like he is a sketchy character
This is profoundly circular
"The media is trying to make them look sketchy, and from media reporting, they seem sketchy, so that makes sense"
It's the only other place on the internet (aside from here) I regularly interact with as the users don't immediately make me want to scream.
Best I got lol
Quite literally the old school definition of left but I admit at this point "left" means "shitlib" and not "Marxist" despite the old dictionary definition
link a mainstream left-wing forum, where the news broke, and everybody's aghast at what happened
https://old.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/1ndmpmj/charlie_kirk_shot_at_utah_event/
https://old.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/1ndpw16/charlie_kirk_has_died/?sort=top
Almost every top comment is some form of "oh shit this is gonna get worse" and "this is bad"
Maybe if you scroll hard enough you'll find people crowing about it, but all the top comments I saw were unhappy he was shot.
I think you're of the age where your school experience was a "last chopper out of Saigon" situation.
Grievance politics is larger now, although I strongly suspect it's incredibly school and teacher dependant.
In "generic suburban highschool #42 outside of Boise, Ohio" I bet it's similar to what you wrote. In "MLK Jr highschool in Bushwick" I bet it's a lot more grievance-y

In an effort to be a good mottizen, I gave it a re-read because I had skimmed just his side of the conversation when I first looked.
It does seem like he agrees with the other person saying "you were talking about hoping Jennifer Gilbert's children would die" but I would imagine if he said that in text, it would have been part of the leak? That would be so much more damning and would totally fuck him (because fuck him for saying that), but it's absence from these screenshots is weird if he did in fact say that.
I don't know who this guy is but I really don't like him. And given I hold elected officials to high standards, I would never vote for him, but I also can't take the "3 people 2 bullets" joke all that seriously given its historical precedent as a common joke.
If he was actually wishing harm on his political enemy's kids though, that's extremely concerning.
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