functor
15hr ago
Setting aside that Venezuela is already a failed state causing migration and drug cartels, and has been for well over a decade-
Yes the US regime change project has been ongoing for years with the explicit goal of creating a failed state.
Regardless of the extent to which it is Venezuela's fault, the US has actively sought to destabilize Venezuela. That means that the US has increased migrants and drugs flowing into the US so that Venezuela can be brought into the American zone of influence and get DEI, gay marriage and gender reassignment surgeries for kids.
functor
16hr ago
That is an even stronger argument for not destroying Venezuela. Failed states cause migration and drug cartels. If Venezuela is struggling the last thing they need is sanctions and war.
As usual the military industrial complex is a leading cause of diversity and immigration.
functor
1d ago
China is built on middle eastern oil. They didn't destroy Iraq by bombing it, instead they gave billions in foreign aid and helped them build infrastructure. Has a decade of bombing Yemen made American ships safer?
The US wasted trillions in Afghanistan and China is building mines by making good deals.
functor
1d ago
America destablized Venezuela, put sanctions on Venezuela and the result was chaos in Venezuela. If the goal was to bring down Venezuela by making the people hate their government that goal will cause mass migration. The situation being bad in Venezuela is a reason to help Venezuela if anything. Chaotic failed state neighbours end up doing to America what Syria did to Europe.
functor
1d ago
Obama and Bush were at least wise enough to create migrant tsunamis and narco states on the opposite side of the planet, not close to home. Obama learned from Bush and didn't say he was going to rebuild Libya and turn it into a nation building project that is likely to fail.
functor
1d ago
This speech is beyond incompetent. How is he going to get support in Venezuela when his speech is about the US taking over Venezuela's oil? It soulds like a parody of what an American imperialist president would say.
Venezuelans are not going to vote for Exxon Mobile. They do not wanting American companies owning their natural resources.
At least Dick Cheney made an attempt to sell regime change in Iraq as an exciting new opportunity.
functor
1d ago
China does more overseas trade than the US. They are the biggest trading partner with almost every country in the middle east. They didn't have to waste trillions fighting forever wars there to dominate trade.
The US spent two trillion in Iraq for China to be Iraqs biggest oil buyer. Venezuela was not a threat to American martime trade.
functor
1d ago
If the US had committed to merely removing AQ leadership during the GWOT there would have been less chaos.
If the US hadn't been meddling in the middle east there wouldn't have been a GWOT to start with. If the US hadn't let people who live in a cave in Afghanistan into flight school it would never have happened.
Killing Bin Ladin would not have changed much in Afghanistan. Spending 20 years trying to spread DEI to Afghan villagers didn't help either. The US should focus on the US, not regime change.
functor
1d ago
Imperialist war projects end up causing chaos. Chaos opens up for refugees and migrants. The war to bring feminism to Afghanistan 10x the world's heroin production. US meddling in LATAM has caused millions of refugees to pour into the US and has helped drug smuggling.
functor
1d ago
Manuel Noriega
So we will soon have regular flights to the US to bring cocaine.
https://www.nytimes.com/1991/08/13/world/cocaine-is-again-surging-out-of-panama.html
Neocon wars always end up with drugs and refugees.
Just removing one person won't do much, the regime can easily continue even if one person disappears.
functor
1d ago
Regime change is bad therefore we do regime change.
American meddling, invasions and regime change is extremely unpopular in latin America.
functor
1d ago
There is no way the Venezuelans are going to vote to give their oil to American companies.
Also bombing their country isn't going to make them more pro American. All it will do is destabilize the country causing more migrants.
functor
1d ago
Taking out a leader means nothing. Leaders come and go.
functor
1d ago
There are a few big differences. Venezuela's geography is much denser than the open deserts of Iraq.
Yemen showed that a few desert tribes with some drones from Iran can tie down a third of the US Navy for over a year and win. The Gulf of Mexico is within striking range of weapons that can be built with parts ordered of wish.
The US wasted two trillion trying to occupy Iraq and largely failed. The US military was larger in 2003 than today, the recruitment standards were higher and they weren't trying to compete with China over who can have the biggest navy off the coast of China.
Also drones are going to make occupying a country complete hell.
functor
1d ago
Maduro is the successor to Hugo Chavez, who deliberately turned Venezuela into an ideologically anti-American state as a matter of principle.
I wonder why their ideology is anti American. It must be something in the water....
This reasoning is circular. The US warmongers causing countries to dislike them. Then they can justify even more war by saying the countries dislike the US. Being in constant conflikt will cause the other side to dislike you.
The economic incompetence and political repression have made Venezuela into something between a failed state and a narco-state spurred a massivive migration exodus.
Sanctions have had the explicit goal of wrecking Venezuela. Once again neo-con policies lead to mass migration and drug trafficking. The endless warmonger is the root cause of mass immigration. The country with the most Algerians in Europe is the one that colonized Algeria. The country with the most Pakistanis in Europe is the one that colonized Pakistan. The US invadaded central American states and now is turning into Guatamala and Venezuela.
There is no instance of these wars reducing migration and drug smuggling.
functor
1d ago
Grenada was a tiny war against an insignificant country. Just wait until Venezuela lacks a government when it turns into another Libya, Syria or Iraq. It will be an absolute haven for narco cartels just like Afghanistan was and it will cause a mass exodus of refugees.
functor
1d ago
The base and the elite are already splitting in the groyper war. The base wants America first, the elite want Indian H1B visas, more foreign war and more military industrial complex.
Just making fun of SJW while continuing George Bush policies is going to lead to Trump losing the election.
Who is supposed to support this war? The left wing voter base is not pro war. The America first crowd isn't excited about wasting billions on a foreign war that is going to end up swamping the US with migrants.
functor
3d ago
Punishing people for taking part in an armed conflict is a war crime. She can be punished for things she has done, she can't be collectively punished for crimes committed by her faction in a war.
Instead of solving the actual problem of mass immigration, we are solving fake problems such as privacy, lack of police state and freedom of speech.
This problem should never have existed and only exists because of bad immigration policy. It can only be fixed through changed immigration policy.
Creating special rules where for certain groups such as terrorists is a slippery slope. The west is slowly recreating Saddam Hussien's Iraq and justifying the policies that will turn us into Iraq with being tough on muslims.
functor
4d ago
will have to happen at some point, would work more towards solving this than anything.
Does it have to happen? What seems to be happening is that we are all turning into South Korea. Even developing countries are having collapsing birth rates. There seems to be nothing pointing toward women settling, their standards are sky high and climbing.
Especially middle income countries seem to be in free fall. Women in LATAM are seeing what the upper middle class in California have, and they aren't settling for Pedro in their village.
functor
6d ago
My take is that we are going to see watches with similar levels of polish and accuracy as an omega watch selling for 1500 dollars from Chinese brands.
Fine, lets say Maduro had the worst economic policy on the planet and did a large portion of the damage.
Sanctions will still cause more drugs and migrants.
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