justawoman
I’m Bernie Sanders’ personal gimp
Once upon a time I was a Republican and then I went to college and turned into the leftist liberal progressive Democrat that hides under your bed and no I am not a man and yes I’m addicted to downvotes, every time I get one it’s like a bump of that sweet smoking gun. Also I do 99% of this on mobile in my bathtub, so if I don’t respond to you it’s because my screen was too tiny to read everything before I got out of the bath.
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justawoman
I’m Bernie Sanders’ personal gimp
3mo ago
I think that if Russia takes Ukraine, the entire country will look like the Bucha massacre. Matters of corruption will not be possible because the country will be massacred; it is literally a matter of survival to them. To allow Russia to take Ukraine is to condemn its citizens to Bucha; therefore, arguments that have implications of reducing aid to Ukraine lead to only one result; Bucha.
So I think that securing Ukraine from total annihilation must be completed before we even think about petty little things like corruption. No, I don’t think you are a Russian propagandist for thinking Ukraine is corrupt. I think you’d be a propagandist if you think because it’s corrupt it deserves Bucha, which is what will happen if Russia takes the territory.
justawoman
I’m Bernie Sanders’ personal gimp
3mo ago
The Bucha massacre was the mass murder of Ukrainian civilians and prisoners of war by the Russian Armed Forces during the fight for and occupation of the city of Bucha, compounded by the complete denial of the Russian government. I remember seeing the videos and footage of Bucha as it was happening real time. You should take the time to read the article on Wikipedia and listen to the account of the fourteen year old from Bucha who was raped by Russian soliders. Bucha is one of the primary reasons Zelenskyy wants the territories Russia has taken back because Bucha is happening to them right now and why he is fighting so hard to stop the entire country from becoming Bucha.
I am particularly moved by the Bucha massacre because the Russian propaganda line that that Ukraine faked footage of the event or staged the killings itself as a false flag operation and that the footage and photographs of dead bodies were a "staged performance” is being peddled by my own country, and worse, my own country’s citizens and politicians. After the Katyn massacre, whose biggest problem was Russia’s systematic denial of it until recent times, I struggle with seeing the same thing being repeated and then propagated by the very people against it. I feel like I’m watching the Katyn massacre all over again.
I see disinformation as a bad thing. If people don’t care about the Bucha massacre, that’s one thing, but to deny it happened at all is an appalling level of intellectual dishonesty to me.
justawoman
I’m Bernie Sanders’ personal gimp
3mo ago
I don’t take satisfaction because the fact that I’m getting reported so much is a dismal sign for the purpose of this site and tells me a lot of people aren’t listening to what I’m saying. It seems like I’m getting reported for having an opinion people don’t like, not for breaking the rules. But like I said, the moderation here is not for me. I have been hasty in my judgement on Ukraine due to my sensitivity to the Bucha massacre, and there do seem to be a handful of people who aren’t breaking the rules when interacting with me, but mostly my hastiness was unwarranted and therefore my reason to leave is unwarranted. All this to say I have changed my mind.
It’s ironic that I feel I have done a deliberate job of attempting to not be snarky with the belief the mods have eagle eyes on my behavior since all the reporting happens, but it’s not my call to say if I’m snarky or not, just ironic that I deliberately try not to and fail.
justawoman
I’m Bernie Sanders’ personal gimp
3mo ago
I wish you would have begun with your last sentence, because it was touching and moved me. I think you are right that I haven’t been fair about the Ukraine topic; the Bucha massacre moves me deeply, apparently enough to push me out of my wise mind.
justawoman
I’m Bernie Sanders’ personal gimp
3mo ago
I’m trying to be polite towards the efforts to respond to my initial post and attempts to change my mind without adding more to the Culture War thread. I didn’t even know there was a reporting option, much less that it would be taken seriously. It’s surprising to me you want me to stay, and it makes me reconsider some of my stances.
justawoman
I’m Bernie Sanders’ personal gimp
3mo ago
I don’t have faith that my reporting is going to be met in good faith. I have a history of comments calling me trans, insulting my intellect over my gender, and general potshots at me being unserious, a troll, someone who just hates conservatives and doesn’t want to listen to other arguments, straight up mocking at my lack of knowledge despite the rules literally saying “leave the rest of the Internet at the door”. Where is the moderation there? And for a site full of people claiming they want to debate, why is there a constant stream of rule-breaking not-debating happening aimed at me?
justawoman
I’m Bernie Sanders’ personal gimp
3mo ago
No, I can’t. Calling you unserious is an insult to your character, which is against the site rules. Arguing about what I’m insulting, or how insulting it is, is also against the rules. Consistent rulemaking protects all of us; otherwise it starts slipping from “no insults” to “no acrimonious insults” to “well I think your argument was unserious even though I didn’t say “your argument is unserious” I said “you’re unserious” and you should have known what I meant” to “fuck it, open fire free-for-all”. Which is also why the rules are “speak plainly”. You think it’s small potatoes, I think it’s a further indication that the moderation on this site is not for me.
justawoman
I’m Bernie Sanders’ personal gimp
3mo ago
So, if someone makes an argument that you personally think is not valuable, it’s okay to insult them? Can I start calling you unserious for claiming to want to debate and discuss while undermining the entire ethos of the site and driving away the very people you want to argue with with low-effort pot shots? No. Because that’s against the rules, and I would be rightly moderated.
justawoman
I’m Bernie Sanders’ personal gimp
3mo ago
In the context of “what to do about the Russian invasion”, Ukraine’s status has absolutely no relevance. Bringing it up is either regurgitating Russian propaganda, or revealing a belief that you think nations should invade other nations if they think they’re too corrupt.
justawoman
I’m Bernie Sanders’ personal gimp
3mo ago
Ukrianian corruption has no relevance in the context of the Russian invasion. Ukraine could be a hellhole, and it still doesn’t deserve to be invaded. Bringing up “Ukrainian corruption” is repeating Russian propaganda in an attempt to justify the invasion.
justawoman
I’m Bernie Sanders’ personal gimp
3mo ago
Huh? I’m confused.
This is the second reason why I am quitting the Motte. I am so bored of low-effort insults at my character instead of dealing with the subject of my arguments, which is directly against the rules on the sidebar. Constantly having it done with very little moderation shows me this place is not for debate, it’s to dunk on leftists. I’ve said the moderation here is not for me, and it really is.
justawoman
I’m Bernie Sanders’ personal gimp
3mo ago
No. Saying that Ukraine deserves to be invaded and the massacre at Bucha was warranted because they didn’t have an election during wartime where parts of the country can’t vote because they are occupied by Russia is Russian propaganda.
justawoman
I’m Bernie Sanders’ personal gimp
3mo ago
Yes. “Ukrainian corruption” is a dog whistle for Russian propaganda.
justawoman
I’m Bernie Sanders’ personal gimp
3mo ago
No, I don’t like hearing obvious Russian propaganda talking points. I agree it’s been a topic discussed before, but there’s talking about the Ukraine war and there’s regurgitating Russian propaganda and I think the latter is happening and it is just a huge intellectual turn-off for me. I don’t think you can have discussions about it; it’s like debating at a geography debate club and suddenly the topic changed from the relevance of tectonic shifts to if the Earth is flat. Even if the conversation changes topic, the shock is still resounding for me.
justawoman
I’m Bernie Sanders’ personal gimp
3mo ago
Contrapoints and PhilosophyTube are great places to start.
justawoman
I’m Bernie Sanders’ personal gimp
3mo ago
I read the Harry Potter fanfiction, I looked up the author and got to LessWrong, I read a lot of LessWrong, found Scott Alexander who mentioned Jordan Peterson. Looked up Jordan Peterson and found RationalWiki. RationalWiki led to SneerClub, which led to the Motte on reddit, and then I followed the Motte off reddit. Motte and Bailey, Bayesian and Embryo selection are the only three I know.
justawoman
I’m Bernie Sanders’ personal gimp
3mo ago
I wish I could carry on like that, but for me, it's like a bunch of people in the geography debate club became flat earthers overnight. I just can't get the taste out of my mouth.
justawoman
I’m Bernie Sanders’ personal gimp
3mo ago
That's not my problem. My problem is I think Russian propaganda is a pretty boring topic to debate about and I can't take it seriously. I don't know how else to say it without accidentally coasting into "boo outgroup" territory.
justawoman
I’m Bernie Sanders’ personal gimp
3mo ago
taps sign
justawoman
I’m Bernie Sanders’ personal gimp
3mo ago
Your perception is so wrong it's a bit comical, pardon me saying. I don't participate on other debate forums and I certainly have never typed that sentence anywhere on the internet.
justawoman
I’m Bernie Sanders’ personal gimp
3mo ago
I read that famous Harry Potter fanfiction by Yud and slippery sloped all the way here.
justawoman
I’m Bernie Sanders’ personal gimp
3mo ago
Ahh, thank you for the clarification.
justawoman
I’m Bernie Sanders’ personal gimp
3mo ago
For me, discussion here became stale when Russian propaganda began to be seriously debated. I just can't take it seriously; it's like being at a pool party where someone poured that mythical urine-indicator dye and seeing exactly how many people are pissing in the proverbial water.
I would like to clarify pretty, like, hard that the very worst opinion of mine of peoples’ opinions on this site of which I have changed my mind to continue posting on is “ignorant” or “hypocritical” because I personally subscribe to the Plato approach to the concept ignorance which is it being the root of all evil therefore I literally can’t use “scum” or “villany” in addition to not believing anyone here is very malicious in their intents; additional evidence being I have never typed said words save now (//∇//)\
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