lobstersalad
16d ago
It’s true the right definitely does have its revolutionary fantasies but the form is very different (and less realistic) than what you see on the left. The right wing fantasy of political violence seems to be informed by experiences in American history where we fought the British, or the Indians, or each other in the civil war. Cases where there were clear out groups, often uniformed. There doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of appetite on the right for random killings of people in their own country for peacefully disagreeing with them. Or for working a job they think is negative utility (Luigi.) Whereas the far left seems to understand that this is what a modern civil war/years of lead/troubles type event looks like.
A good left wing equivalent to Charlie Kirk would be Cenk Uygur. If he was murdered I could definitely imagine some groypers or anime avatar types being smug about it. But I don’t think your normie conservatives would be posting mockery under their real names on Facebook as I’ve seen dozens of leftists do. If a right wing equivalent to Luigi happened (perhaps something like a high level and very woke partner at a law firm getting killed) I don’t think the reaction would be nearly as positive as it was for Luigi. I also think it’s pretty clear these things are less likely to happen in the first place than the reverse
lobstersalad
16d ago
Posting the second amendment quote is kind of low IQ (every policy position has trade offs) and is pretty tasteless but I wouldn’t consider it beyond the pale. But I wouldn’t want to be around the people actively celebrating it
lobstersalad
16d ago
The far left looks absolutely terrible right now, and the disgusting celebration of his death is absolutely real but the contrarian in my cannot help but point out:
These types of people bot their likes. Often very blatantly. Some six figure likes could be organic but I’ve seen too many clear cases of botting to take them all at face value
That said it’s obvious that there’s an appetite among many leftists for killing enemies between Luigi and this
lobstersalad
16d ago
Yeah as a big believer in the fundamental strength of “the system” and very much a “nothing ever happens” guy…seeing the normiesadism from people on my Facebook feed has definitely shaken me. I’m fortunate enough to not call any of these people good friends, although some were once, but it actually hurts in a way. While we weren’t 100% aligned my views definitely align more with Kirk’s views than they do with the left. We’re also the same age, our kids are the same age…would these people be happy at my death too? It is perception shifting and not in a positive way
lobstersalad
5mo ago
“The dream held by parents around the world is not 'I have done backbreaking labor roofing the houses, tilling the fields and manning the production lines - I hope that my child will live the same life,' it is 'I have done backbreaking labor roofing the houses, tilling the fields and manning the production lines so that my child doesn't have to.”
This is true but I would also strongly prefer my son to be a roofer or an assembly line worker than a 400 lb NEET. While the idea that we’ll automatically get back to the idealized somewhat fantastical version of the 1950s of good values and high employment in a productive industrial economy if we just mass deport and tariff is also a fantasy…. I do think we’ve gone astray as a society when able bodied men are permitted to be jobless parasites while we’re also importing a helot class to do the types of jobs we need able bodied men to do. I don’t have all the answers on how to fix this but I think it’s at least worth commenting on
lobstersalad
5mo ago
You’re right that the numbers who actually change their voting behavior off of this may seem unimpressive but “roughly half the country” means a very different thing in the modern American two party system than it does in typical day to day human life. 2008 was the most recent politically relevant election that was considered to be a true landslide and the popular vote result was 53% to 46%.
If I’m taking a poll of 20 coworkers to see where we want to go to lunch and 11 of them want pizza and 9 of them want tacos I would consider that a very close decision. But in modern American politics a vote that close is a blowout. A small percent of Trump voters switching sides next time or just not voting changes things dramatically. And this type of insane and economically destructive brain rot if it isn’t stopped immediately is the exact type of thing that will make that happen.
I absolutely despise the ethos of the modern left and have from the very moment I became aware of it when I was literally a middle schooler. But I’m not supporting a cult of personality whose leader is hellbent on crashing the global economy just because. If this keeps up and whoever gets the GOP nod in 2028 isn’t clearly intent on changing course I don’t think I can stomach it any longer. I don’t know how many people like me are out there but if even s small percentage of the vote defecting can make a big difference.
lobstersalad
9mo ago
I think about this whenever I see “protestors” shut down highways. If there was a 100% guarantee of no police involvement whatsoever the commuters would physically move them out of the way within a few minutes. But if you did that you’d be arrested and lose your job. Functionally the police are there to protect those obstructing traffic and falsely imprisoning people.
I can too. I don’t know if I would see literally dozens of people I knew in real life gloating and joking about it under their real names on Facebook though…
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