nopie
21d ago
I always find that if the country has a lot of illegal immigrants, it is always due to deliberate policy of that country.
The USSR had very little illegal immigration or emigration despite a lot of land and sea border. We could laugh about Trump building the wall (that was just an attempt of embezzlement), but if the country is serious, it can guard the border quite well.
The EU has a polity allowing a lot of refugees (in reality economic immigrants) in. It might be a bad policy but most likely dictated by desperate measures to counteract low birth rates. It is all deliberate and the EU has very little undesirable illegal immigrants. They find difficult to get jobs and receive services. Most so called illegals are requesting asylum and in most cases they receive it. Only small part of applicants are refused and deported.
The US is most likely the same situation. Most “illegals” are welcomed but the US does not control illegal employment as strictly as in the EU. That is deliberate as those immigrants have no rights and will work for low wages.
From human rights position that is fundamentally wrong. It is like slavery just with more steps. Now promises to deport them sound good from legal point of view, but expect a lot of protest from businesses who are using their labour.
The correct position would be to legalize most of those workers instead of deporting them. But I don't see democrats, nor republicans being interested in this solution.
And do you think Trump administration would not include those people turned away in their numbers?
But assume you are right. So, instead of spending money trying to deport illegals, you could just not let them in, for a fraction of cost?
Or maybe actually illegal immigrants in the US are net positive financially and not letting them in is not good for the economy?
What is the best policy?
nopie
21d ago
Exactly those things that are currently happening are terrorising. Shooting an innocent woman, stopping vehicles for no reason, arresting a US citizen in underwear in cold weather, registering observers as domestic terrorists... Should I go on?
And not taking any responsibility whatsoever is the worst part. Yes, everybody can make mistakes. Own them. Instead of gaslighting, like in that example “we were looking for a dangerous criminal” who was actually already in the prison.
Catching dangerous criminals including illegal immigrants sometimes is hard but I don't see armed men regularly patrolling the streets in cities to do that. Probably because such demonstration of force is not useful. It is just a waste of good money.
And let's not start with double legal standards where the US authorities are unable to process green card applications in time thus leaving people in limbo. Technically they are illegal and yet one agency will accept their status and the other will send armed men after them. It has no consistency and indicates a dysfunctional country. Obviously, the US is very rich and will never be called dysfunctional but in certain aspects it really is. It is not all or nothing proposal.
The USSR was a prison, it had to stop people fleeing but it did it quite easily.
People who arrive on beaches could be prevented to cross the sea in the first place. It is not being done because it is a deliberate policy. Countries have contradictory policies that change all the time due to changes in the political power. But a lot of elite that influence all politics are pro-imigration. I am not saying it bad or good but there are many rational arguments that immigration is better than decreasing population.
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