pigeonburger
19d ago
There are presumably non-exploitative ways for children to labor--otherwise there would be no children in film. Would it be a bad idea to extend that to other industries?
Here, there are exceptions for kids working for their family's business (provided the family business does not employ 10 people or more), newspaper delivery, tutoring, babysitting or working for a nonprofit.
pigeonburger
20d ago
I think what makes it appear suspect is simply who feels the impulse to drink calorie free sodas. It's just correlation, not causation.
As a wise man once said:
I've never seen a thin person drink diet coke
But the factors are not beyond their control. Guys can decide to start going out, making friends and meeting them IRL. Just because society won't push them to do it as it maybe once did (it's debatable), doesn't mean it cannot be done or that it's even harder than it used to be. It's the same as weight issues; sedentary lifestyles and easy/cheap hyper-palatable high calories options means that if someone doesn't make any effort, unless they've been blessed with excellent genetics, they will gain weight. But it's hardly an immutable prophecy, people can have a good diet, can exercise. In fact, having a good diet and exercising is even easier than ever before in history.
Having a diverse social life is the same. Internalise that locus of control. CHR is a stat that needs exercising, just like STR.
pigeonburger
22d ago
Something we can all relate to
Were the guys that they refused to make introductions for lacking social proof? The guy they've never seen in a relationship before, even if a good guy in other aspects of his life is not a known good party for a relationship, he's an unknown, untested, possibly one that has some red flags that scare women away because increasingly as a man gets older from a woman's (mistaken) point of view it should have happened at organically if there was nothing "off" relationship wise with this guy.
Once a guy has just one relationship that wasn't completely disastrous done, only then have I seen women willing to endorse him.
pigeonburger
22d ago
Of course, but while it's not as strong as men's, they do still have it. I know because I know some women. I'm married. I have friends with wives and girlfriends.
I would not consider it strange for a single woman to, in her 20s, have a strong urge to fuck, at least once every two years. I'm not judging women by the same standard as men here, because frankly when I was single and in my 20s I had that strong urge weekly.
Combine that with opportunity, and it doesn't look extraordinary to have 5 partners in 10 years.
pigeonburger
23d ago
To be charitable to @faceh 's point, I think it could probably be described as 9-10 men string along 6-7-8 women (otherwise good marriageble women) without pairing with them. 6-7-8 women believe, both because they get some attention from 9-10 men and because society keeps repeating it to them, that they are worth 9-10 men and should not settle for less. 6-7-8 men find themselves unable to find a 6-7-8 woman to pair with, so they end up single or pairing with 4-5 women. 4-5 men face a similar dillemma and at the bottom you find men without even the option of settling for less because there is nothing left.
pigeonburger
23d ago
Have you not heard about the recent, RADICAL political polarization among young women?
These women ALSO largely refuse to date conservative/Republican men.
So men don't HAVE to filter these women out, these women are filtering THEMSELVES out. And they go on social media and aggressively police other women on this issue.
No, they say they refuse to date conservative/Republican men. What they actually do is refuse to date conservative/Republican boys.
pigeonburger
23d ago
Very arbitrary. A 26-year-old woman who became sexually active at 16 and slept with one guy every two years would exceed it.
Yeah, I've been single for a long time, and if it had been "as easy" for me in my moments of peak horniness/loneliness to go out and find someone at least acceptable looking for a one-night-stand that no else has to know about as it seems to be for women, my body count would have effortlessly cracked the double digits. And I'm far from a libido monster.
5 by 26 for a single girl seems like a girl with a good amount of restraint to be honest.
How does a woman make it to her 30s without landing in a stable, committed relationship?
Quite easily. I'll let you in on an insight most men haven't realized yet.
You know how you often hear women complain "Where are all the good men?" and then totally a catch yet perenially single nerdy guy complain "Uhhh, we're right here, you just ignore us!"
The equivalent women exist. The equivalents to men who have hobbies and friend groups that don't intersect with the people they probably should be matching with. Dating's "dark matter", the women we all imagine probably exist yet no one can find. The problem is that men expect that the equivalent for women is within the same hobbies, that the match for lonely nerdy guys into anime should be lonely nerdy girls into anime. But nerdy girls into anime are rarely lonely. But I found them. I found the elusive missing good women.
The equivalents are nerdy bookish/library girls. There are a lot of women who spend their time in libraries, reading high or low brow stuff. Recently I had to do some work for a client that works in the library space, and I quickly realized that 90% of the employees there were quiet, nerdy (and no, certainly not unattractive) girls. I had to deal with pretty much all of the employees and most of them seemed shy and unaccustomed to dealing with a "normie" guy like me.
Had I made this discovery in my bachelor days, it probably would have completely changed how I approach dating.
I went and fed the initial criteria I listed through Gemma 3, had to correct it for one misunderstanding it made. It gave between 4.3% and 11.2% of the US male population.
I fed it through a Deepseek R1 Distill to see if a reasoning model went about it a different way. The reasoning chain, the way it tried to guesstimate, was wild. Still, it came up with 5-10%, so roughly similar.
Strikethrough: Sorry, just realised I also forgot to tell it this is of SINGLE men, so the numbers are probably significantly lower. I'll prompt again.
And I'm sure I could add criteria. I forgot to ask them for cishet men, I forgot to tell them to exclude men above a certain age.
If you want to put a ceiling on body count for women, it'd be fair to put a floor on it for men; at least 1 partner; virginity is not attractive for men, it's lack of social proof. Maybe if we wanted to be more fair we could put a specific age to them. A floor of 1 partner for men after 20, a ceiling of 5 partners for women before 25.
*SUBSEQUENT EDIT: I reran the numbers with SINGLE men and cishet, and it gave less than 2% of men fulfilling these criteria. Note that I don't trust AI estimates for these since it uses extremely simplistic analysis and can't really account for correlation between criteria appropriately, and tends to mix specifics in ways they shouldn't (compared US-wide salaries to rents in highly inflated high cost of living areas) but I think for both men and women, with my and your criteria, we're probably both in single digit percentages.
If you want to see this as a blackpill, go ahead, but I think both criteria sets probably are too restrictive. Women probably shouldn't be looking only for men who are financially capable of being single income breadwinners, men probably shouldn't be looking at education debt and >5 body count as dealbreakers.
As for the large contingent who fall short of these criteria, they'll end up matching with one another.
pigeonburger
24d ago
What proportion of men are:
- Making over 50 000$ in a profession with enough employment prospects and stability that they could possibly support a family. I guess this can vary depending on location, so you could replace it with "makes enough money to not use over 1/3 of his salary to pay for a 2 bedroom living space, be it house, condo or apartment, in a neighborhood where children could safely grow and thrive".
- Emotionally stable. Most importantly: not violent.
- Not obese / is at least in minimal physical shape to offer some sort of physical protection for his family.
- Not going to cheat. Hard to know, but it's important to note that not cheating means jack shit for someone who does not get any and never had the opportunity to.
- Responsible financially and don't blow their entire discretionary income on hobbies.
- Not somebody's baby daddy already.
Not including but probably should:
- Not drug abusers
- Not a degenerate gooner (does not subscribe to an only fans; it's only fair to judge the people who enable the sex work as well)
- Again, IF HE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, would not have a body count over 5 partners? (I understand it's less of a dealbreaker for women than for men)
- We mentionned hobbies already, but what proportion of men are not deeply invested into women repellent hobbies? That depends per generation, but for some generations it's manga/anime, for others it was video games, now it's probably like being terminally online on racist or "red pill" forums.
I mean, I could probably keep going and match all of your points with equivalents.
I've gotten a bit obsessed recently with the idea of one bag for travel. I got a 30L backpack I stuffed it with an absurd amount of (carefully chosen, but still far from "essential") equipment that would be enough to and it all fits very comfortably, leaving room for 3-5 days of clothing (assuming I will wear on myself the heaviest, bulkiest clothing while traveling).
And when I say an absurd amount of equipment, I mean stuff that would make any minimalist shake their head. I have a laptop, a mechanical keyboard, a folding laptop stand, a travel router, and optionally I bring a portable second monitor.
I have a hard time understanding how I ever needed checked baggage, let alone feel constrained by only having an allowance of one.
*EDIT: A sketchbook (and pencil and eraser), tons of electronic security related gizmos, a game controller, chargers and cables for everything, 2 retractable ethernet cables and 1 retractable HDMI cable... An international solution for plugging in and charging everything. I'll grant the bag is probably heavy, or so I've been told by people trying to pick it up, but while I'm not exactly in good physical shape, one thing I've always had for me is being a pack mule, the bag weighs subjectively very little to me.
So exactly as he said.
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