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You shall love your crooked neighbor, with your crooked heart

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professorgerm

You shall love your crooked neighbor, with your crooked heart

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that does not clear the "all levels of society" bar for me

What examples would it take to clear the bar? Like what categories of behavior or cultural positioning or what have you? Cultural measures?

I'm not saying Coil is correct, I think it's useful to prod at what people would take as evidence.

how racial discrimination is not cool even if it targets Whites or Asians.

Good luck! The dream of the 90s is alive in Portland at the Motte?

A high-trust world would be singularly susceptible to fraud, since people needn't be on their guard at all.

Ricky Gervais even made an obnoxious movie about that.

Given there seems to be a decently common strain of progressivism that's pro-abortion and anti-gene-editing, for many people no, the calculus would be the same.

Why wouldn't they survive? Would they succumb to the temptation to be vitriolic and disingenuous too easily, too?

ChrisPrattAlphaRaptr comes to mind. While he gets a little hot under the collar sometimes, certainly I won't cast the first stone for someone getting frustrated, he's never been such a slimeball as Darwin or seethingly hateful as Turok. I think it's quite easy to avoid the particular issues those two represent; it's that the kinds of leftist-progressive types that aren't exceedingly combative don't enjoy playing defense all the time.

The Schism exists back on reddit, the policies are only slightly stricter than here, it's derived from the same Scott-reading social milieu, and it has all of ten regular commenters, in a good month. It has one regular troll now on a yearly cycle of suspensions. Whatever makes The Motte appealing to most of the people here doesn't seem to exist to the left of the motte.

"Liberalism in the way it was meant 200 years ago" is pretty common here, and yes Christian values are part of that because they're significant rootstock of the project.

"Liberalism as used by David French to describe Ketanji Brown Jackson" is not, and is unrelated to the first definition, despite being more common in the common discourse.

Alas! Language evolves.

This burning hatred for any left-of center commenter is embarassing.

Unfortunate feedback loop gets generated that the most obnoxiously combative are most likely to stick around, until you get Turoks that everyone hates and provide no positive comments, and after that point anyone even vaguely associated gets tarred with the same brush.

Extremely difficult to undo at this stage.

Smoked canned oysters aren't bad but they're not nearly as good as fresh with a little mignonette. Even more fun is finding a decent oyster bar to sample a few varieties and compare the merroir.

It's a massive implicit value judgement like the egregious slimeball that successfully argued Just Mayo as in "justice" is acceptable.

I don't care about calling pea-protein-derived spread "mayo." I do care about abusing multiple definitions of the word "just" in misleading ways, and someone should regularly egg Josh Tetrick's house for this offense against language and decency.

"Just" go ahead and label it "we're the good guys, neener neener."

I suppose most people would be uncomfortable with something they pattern match to open proud racism.

That's the catch, people don't pattern match their own proud racism to "racism"

t's completely reasonable for white solidarity to be seen as more of a threat than other races' ingroup preferences

They're also outnumber 10:1 on the global scale. It's not at all reasonable for it to be seen as more of a threat.

And seeing only one kind of racial solidarity as unacceptable is A) illiberal and B) corrosive to multicultural societies.

nerdy utilitarian blogs.

The newest crop of utilitarians and adjacent on Substack are much worse than the old crop of the Good Scott era. Alas!

This particular post is high on assumption and light on rigor. It received outrage.

Someone on Twitter suggested Bentham is a psyop to make utilitariains look worse, and while I think it was a joke, it's more or less right. Anyone that believes bees suffer 7% as intensely as humans is a lost cause and should be ignored, only paid attention to the extent you should discourage others from paying any attention.

people at issue are dead (or at any rate no longer relevant)

From upthread, just in case you missed it:

Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and Mitch McConnell to have voted for the 1986 amnesty earlier in their careers

Also

you can't read the minds of people today based on dirty tricks pulled - consciously or otherwise - by their geriatric forebears half a century prior, even if the current scions are nominally waving the same flag.

Does that mean we can put any discussion of reparation to rest too because there's no such thing as group responsibility for past sins so long as you run the clock long enough?

Probably even that's just because I read here less and archive much less than I did 3 years ago

Same here, I haven't been around The Motte as much as in the old days. Reading still, usually around the monthly QC collections, but commenting less.

Given how jhanas and tulpas get far more rat/postrat attention, the wiccan-coding acting as preventative strikes me as particularly accurate.

less data on more boring and commonplace topics

Aella is an outrage baiter extraordinaire, yes.

those don't seem to inspire this sort of permanent rent-free mental residency that compels people to start raging about her in a thread about someone else whose only commonalities are blogging and being on Onlyfans

Is there really that much overlap between Substack and Onlyfans? The two nickels connections shouldn't be that surprising.

Would it be fair to say that the whole disagreement here is that @fmac is interpreting "Tell them not to have premarital sex" as, literally, programs telling kids not to have premarital sex, where you're interpreting it as reversing three generations of cultural change?

Yes, I'd say that's entirely fair.

But, although I'm not criticizing you for sticking with Chesterton's wording, doesn't it feel like "difficult" is grossly understating the problem here?

Also entirely fair.

I would say that "sex education" is a failure all around and that we've so thoroughly given up on designing a culture and education program to achieve goals that we don't have any clue how to do so. Healthy cultures are evolved phenomena, and most cultures currently alive are no longer suited to their environments.

This is not a high-effort response, and yours certainly is, so I apologize for the inadequacies.

True Marxism has never been tried, Comrade!

More or less by definition any given "ideal" is going to be difficult, and rarely is the True Ideal tried particularly hard, unless one's ideal is sincerely some laissez-faire muddling-along sort of thing.

does abstinence only sex education show any efficacy in preventing pregnancies?

IIRC other methods don't really work that well either.

South Korea's culture is quite good at preventing pregnancies, but creates a much bigger set of problems.

Because 1 clearly doesn't work?

It has been found difficult, and left untried.

It certainly is an interesting chart! I don't think any of the "not-cis top 10%" results are particularly surprising. Slightly surprised zombies are less taboo than blood but maybe that's because they're fictional. Slightly surprised executions are female-preferred but maybe that makes sense as an extreme fantasy-kink of submissiveness.

She produces some genuinely novel insights into the workings of sex and relationships that I doubt academia could ever do.

Such as?

I am sure there are things she is willing to be more honest about than the average academic, but there are also things she won't, and "genuinely novel" is not the same as Good, True, or Beautiful.

Among other "utilitarian caricature" positions, yes

I think he said that he sniffed Aella and she does not stink or something like that.

From Big Yud, she has never done a single bad thing that he's heard of (while defining away "bad," of course, in a few replies), and yes, he sniffed her with consent (including that Ashkenazim may be particularly sensitive to BO) and she was fine.

In fact I usually mute anything I see about her.

Had her account muted a long time but finally muted her name since so much leaks through if you follow other TPOT folk. The muted word list is getting long.

I'd probably try to thread a needle to avoid cruelty without avoiding discouragement. Rather than insulting her directly, mostly ignore her, and have a laugh at people who take her seriously (and especially at those who take her literally).

I don't see much reason to disbelieve that she was abused for much of her early life, for different definitions of abuse, but I do think that's pretty good reason to think that her attitudes towards a lot of different things are going to be... not particularly useful to normal people or to producing a functioning culture.

Edit:

Some of her stunts include things like tattooing her name on the body of men who have sex with her

Tattooing a name has a long history in low-class cultures, that's not that bad though somewhat out of place for Bay Areans rather than dock workers. Wasn't it tattooing the "recreational body count" on the 100th guy? Much weirder.