professorgerm
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We don't say "you assumed this risk by deciding to live in a place full of humans". It's entirely the fault of the serial killer, and the fact that someone "signed up for the possibility" of living next to a serial killer is not taken into consideration at all.
Well. Historically we said that, but over the last several years progressive urbanists and anti-carceralists have taken strange new approaches to victim-blaming.
not difficult
you overestimate people.
I'd be curious to know if there are serial abortion users.
If I'm reading this data from 2016 correctly approximately 6% of women obtaining an abortion have had three or more, approximately 40% inclusive have had one or more.
I don’t think we apply such a black and white understanding of causality to every risky activity.
Most risky activities don't potentially create and subsequently harm a third party. I'm open to better comparisons here but off the top of my head, pregnancy is unique in terms of causality.
Like... if two people go rock climbing, use their equipment poorly, and risk injury, it's quite unlikely that they fall and crush a third person that was just walking around the base of the cliff. Or whatever.
Most risky activities that injure third parties, there is a lot of regulation! Smoking bans come to mind. Pollution. Hmm... Maybe vehicular accidents are a better comparator- harm comes from (generally) unintentional misuse, and there's relatively lower consequences compared to other forms of manslaughter.
A surprising amount of fertilizations don’t result in a viable pregnancy.
Shooting into an occupied dwelling is illegal even if no person gets shot, so there are also other situations where causality and consequence are treated in quite a black and white manner. Bit of a stretch though.
The democrats have never cared about “blasphemy” in any form
Of course not and they still don't, this is all arguments-as-soldiers. They couldn't possibly care less but it's a "fun" excuse to get Trump's supporters to complain about him.
The democrats defended the film “Last Temptation of Christ” that depicted Christ as struggling with homosexuality
Possibly thinking of the play Corpus Christi or one of the other works. I could've sworn there was another movie by an Italian director but I can't find it on wikipedia.
I think they are correct to fight it. Any sort of seemingly soft barrier can be turned into a hard barrier.
Fair enough.
I was gesturing towards how science (better ultrasound) contributes to a non-science value judgement, or rather, undercuts a theoretical judgement: I hear it's much harder to go through with an abortion once you see the heartbeat or fingers or face, than if you keep it a pleasantly theoretical "clump of cells."
That is what governs the debate—not the microscopic details. So regardless of how much information we gather about the fetus, the abortion issue does not fundamentally change. It won’t be resolved by higher-resolution data; the question is about the value we assign, and science alone cannot determine that.
Science alone can't determine that, but to be a bit cheeky about 'higher resolution'- there's a reason that pro-life types campaign for pre-abortion ultrasounds, and pro-choice types fight that tooth and nail.
But does this matter?
Depends on why you're doing it. If you're trying to come up with a reason an intelligent, rational individual will believe X, steelmanning can be useful. If you're trying to understand why the youths or the elderly or PMC liberals with In This House signs post like they believe X, steelmanning is useless.
it stands to reason that those who do hold the position for more intelligent reasons hold an outsize influence on it
I do not think that stands to reason at all. Popularity and influence do not strike me as particularly well correlated to intelligent reasoning.
Robin Diangelo, Tema Okun, Ibram Kendi are quite stupid people that held, for several years, an incredibly amount of influence, perhaps precisely because their reasoning is incredibly simple. Nor do I think this trend is limited to progressive racism.
Whatever steelman someone creates for an irrational position to seem more rational is going to be considerably less related to what people actually believe.
It can still be a useful exercise, but one must approach it with the awareness that the steelman is wholly unrelated to whatever drives the fangirls.
If you implicitly tell people "Sorry, your worth was decided by a genetic factor that was inborn and can only be changed by small percentages", what they will hear is "I am placing myself above you, and everyone like you, and your children, forever. So, what you should do is fucking kill me".
The negative view that drives a lot of people towards HBD forms a parallel: "I'm declaring your race irredeemably evil for historical crimes, the cost can never be paid and you will never be forgiven, I'm placing myself above you and everyone like you and I'm expecting your people to pay for my people in perpetuity, so what you should do is..."
I don't think you're wrong, exactly, about certain noble lies and keeping inconvenient data locked behind extremely secure doors. The problem is keeping the antiparallel idiocies locked away, rather than running rampant and unopposed.
most stupid people end up away from the controls (except when a populist spasm makes one president)
Except when you end up with a Beer Hall Putsch, October Revolution, or Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution and end up with 10 digit death tolls.
And there's more forms of power than president, and lesser forms of damage than massacres and famines. A goodly number of cultural elites are absolute morons who manage to do a lot of damage to the world.
LOL fair, I should've remembered the famous lettuce
"Looks like an idiot" conveniently does not require a ranking; one idiot can be worse without being alone in the class.
I still think in 20 years hindsight Merkel will be worse than Trump by decent (not the same as popular) historians, but that does depend heavily on how the next three years go, and to some degree that's her playing a role as synecdoche-scapegoat.
many Europeans looked up to America and dreamed of traveling or living there. Trump specifically looks like an idiot from a European perspective
Starmer looks like an idiot. Merkel screwed the whole European pooch.
And yet, I still want to visit (parts of) the UK and Germany!
Germany isn't all of Europe, which frequently seems to be forgotten in discussions like this
Germany's one of the biggest gorillas of Europe and willingly cut off its own arm (to extend the metaphor gruesomely), so it's not totally unfair to focus on that. Major self-inflicted damage to the biggest European economy!
Very cool for Sweden and Poland though!
tbf he could both be crazy and sometimes playing 4d chess. That's part of 5D chess, not letting people know which is which!
(I'm kidding. Mostly.)
Yeah, nerd-sniping at its finest. Given an incredibly important policy question versus a neat but largely meaningless logic puzzle, where do so many curious minds focus?
That said, we tried banning GOF and "they" just moved to funding it overseas. We'd need a much more functional government, and cooperative foreign governments, to get a real ban.
I'd bet on Jim over Rothfuss or Martin, but yeah, still frustrating. Mind-reading a bit on the most recent book I think he'll wrap the series up a book or two faster than originally intended, but could still be another 6-10 years. And even that's assuming he doesn't have another Dresden Slump.
casual Friday
At my previous job I and a couple other guys did Fancy Friday instead since it was so casual, though we only went as far as wearing ties or bowties, not full suits.
I can imagine the kind of bright-eyed naïveté that takes blank slateism and "of course they'll assimilate" as a baseline assumption. For a time.
I can't imagine how they let it drag on for decades, how they're so terrified that they'll erode their own culture, they'll let girls get gang-raped with no consequences.
I would be quite surprised if Kitty didn't consider all of these things good, especially given the things left off
Outside of like the hardest of Muslim countries, women wearing pants and showing skin is basically the default now.
Interesting/sad/etc to watch self-inflicted backsliding in parts of UK, Belgium, Germany, France, and Sweden.
Casual clothing is now commonplace in many work environments, with people even wearing branded tshirts and the like.
Not entirely a good thing.
Jazz/rock/hip-hop/metal/etc are just considered normal forms of music instead of the work of Satan corrupting our kids.
Not entirely a good thing, either.
Jews/Italians/Irish/etc are now considered an ordinary form of white instead of as foreign criminals and scum.
Well. Not all of those are actually wins among progressives! Making Jews white was probably worse for them, in some ways, this decade. And surely crushing the mob played a role in that shift for the Italians?
I think I’ve heard Yglesias and Noah Smith types are best described as the ones who say wrongthink right before it’s acceptable for people on the left to think something.
Indeed! Saw someone call them "Overton Window-washers" and I find that to be a fit-enough name for that role.
And yet campus Leftists don't seem to bother with "Lebanese Apartheid Week.
Kind of interesting since Lebanese-Americans almost code as white in modern progressive terms, because so many were Christians that immigrated fairly early and integrated quickly- Jamie Farr and Casey Kasem come to mind.
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Sadly not as far as I can tell. I share the intuition most are one and done, two's borderline, and 3+ is definitely a category worth knowing more about.
When looking for the data I came across this anecdote, published in Andrew Sullivan's Daily Dish back in 2009
27 years before, which would've been 1992. I would be fascinated to know more about the demographics.
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