samiam
1d ago
I don’t think those women were thinking men were mostly ugly. I think what happened is that women don’t build attraction from just looks the way men do.
In terms of replication, the results are generally not the gap we saw in that old OkCupid chart but, yes, there is a gap.
Misandry was normalized in the 2010s in really ugly ways:
- RooshV was banned from England for proposing an International Meetup Day for men
- Scott Aaronson was raked over the coals for saying “being a nerdy male might not make me ‘privileged’”
Even here in the 2020s, a lot of these misandrists, as just one example, age gap shame, but explicitly (or implicitly) say it’s only an issue when the man is older:
- This age gap shamer attacking Toby Maguire (50) for dating a 20-year-old woman says it’s OK when the woman is older
- Jessica pin age gap shamed here (even blocking me for posting stats showing her data was unreliable) then turns around and celebrates older women getting together with younger men.
Point being, people say idiotic provocative crap online for engagement.
samiam
1d ago
it is probably because of being on the internet in the 2010s
The big difference between 2010s manosphere content and 2020s manosphere content is that there was a lot more optimism in the 2010s. 2010s RedPill content, yes, believed myths like 80/20 and AF/BB (i.e. the myth that only a few men get to be sexually active with a lot of women) but they also showed men how to sleep with a lot of women, and believed any man could achieve that with hard work. This was, of course, degeneracy, but there was an optimism I don’t see these days.
My biggest frustration is how this content is designed to have the most misogynist and negative view of women possible, believe myths simply because they make women look bad and make men angry with women, e.g. If I had a nickel every time that dishonest version of the 2009 OkCupid chart was reposted, I would be very rich.
This flamebait results in engagement, so it goes viral, but it isn’t healthy because it results in men hating women unreasonably. (There’s also misandry online, but that’s another discussion for another day)
My general impression is that Europe doesn’t respect free speech the way we do in the United States. For example, in England, one RooshV was banned from entering England (even for getting on a connecting flight) because he expressed views the leaders of England disagreed with.
I think a strong case that a lot of the online censorship (e.g. not allowing people to have frank discussions about Trans rights—and, yes it’s Reddit’s trans rights discussion censorship which drove The Motte to have their own website instead of remaining on Reddit) we saw in the late 2010s and early 2020s was partly a result of EU overreach. Indeed, Twitter/X doesn’t censor the way most other major social media platforms do, and they were hit with a huge fine from the EU late last year, and I feel the EU unfairly targeted Twitter/X because that platform allows people to express views which get people banned on other platforms.
For one, I’m glad this site is here to allow frank discussions. Yeah, it can be right-learning, but considering a lot of mainstream right-wing views are straight up suppressed and silenced on other platforms, it’s no surprise right wing people flock to the relatively few platforms which allow frank open discussion.
I’m saying all this as a classic liberal.
It’s very telling that the mainstream left-wing media is completely ignoring this story as I type these words.
I have little compassion for the SPLC. They were one of the first people to accuse RooshV of starting a hate group in an era when RooshV’s forum was one of the few online spaces where men couple feel supported, in an era that was so “woke” and man-hating that Al Franken’s career was ruined for putting his hands above a woman’s breasts in a picture which was obviously intended to be a joke.
The problem the SPLC and similar institutions which call out men for being “misogynistic” is that they have become leftists who look the other way, ignoring the widespread misandry coming from leftists.
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