theSinisterMushroom
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theSinisterMushroom
10d ago
TIL about no federal income tax for Puerto Ricans. Maybe I should move there...
If everyone's happy with the status quo, sounds like a great outcome
Isn’t the central American Revolutionary mythology basically false? No taxation without representation is basically bullshit? Everything I have seen indicates total attempted taxation was like 1-2% of colonial income which to modern me basically feels like zero.
Maybe, but I think taxes were in general lower back then. Income tax for example didn't exist, and neither did sales tax (some goods were excise taxed), leaving land, poll, and other assorted local taxes. One may grumble at their taxes going to the local corrupt politician, but you can shame them or vote them out.
So I think that it was mostly a matter of principle for them. The Americans didn't view themselves as a British colony/territory, but citizens. When they were scorned by the king they probably saw themselves as fighting for a say in their own future.
Incidentally, if the Puerto Ricans made a similar argument with similar fervor, it might behoove the United States to give them a senator or let them go.
theSinisterMushroom
11d ago
The Long Now foundation's bar, The Interval might be cool to check out
Revolutions are intoxicating, I can see how you'd be swept up into the love bombing for being on the right side of history. But it seems to me that the blue leaders in Minnesota/Minneapolis are trying to engineer a siege mentality in their base.
black and white thinking, social conformity, and lack of trust, but also a preparedness for the worst and a strong sense of social cohesion.
Some bits that caught my attention
ICE showed up to start their "Metro Surge" before I got here, and immediately started making like difficult wherever they went. They were atrociously rude drivers. They made belligerent sidewalk scenes during apprehensions. The active folks started following them around, using Signal chats and group texts, blowing whistles to gather crowds.
I'm sure in his (Jill's?) version of history the local activists only started impeding ICE activities after being exposed to their rude driving, since as Minnesotans they're just too nice to just let belligerence like that go.
It was awesome to be with so many people braving the cold
You can feel the energy, the belonging, like being bombed with love.
To me the yelling and taunting at police was misplaced aggression, and counter productive but it was their town, not mine.
we got up in the morning, put on our long underwear and gloves, yelled at the interlopers until we were cold/had to pee, then went out to lunch. I have done some great cc skiing, and he really begun to improve my form in the 'skate' technique.
were soon commandeered into helping a first-aid site for tear-gas etc in a Middle Eastern restaurant two blocks south [...] it was way past lunch and we should eat before she crashed. I could see an active buffet in the Middle Eastern, and we grabbed some plates and had a great meal. The host brought us tea.
If you didn't catch the cognitive dissonance in the main text above, no worries, his reply further down (quoted by @phailyoor) should make you do a double take
they are nearly invisible. The closest I have been is watching a Charger with tinted windows out my bedroom window in the morning [...] we were alerted that they were at the elementary school around the block [...] it as all over before she got there. not sure what ever happened. [...] I have occasionally heard the sound of dozens of whistles being blown in the distance, and seen the rising cloud of dispersal smoke
So it sounds like if you're a legal resident not looking for trouble you're perfectly safe?
I have also been present while crowds waited for them to leave apartment buildings. I split those scenes.
Yeah, it might ruin your appetite for the tapas dinner to hang around there.
https://old.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1qn6dfp/ice_agents_and_what_looks_like_police_stand_at/ https://old.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1qn81j3/protestors_have_taken_over_the_hotel_ice_is/
But out here, living in it, we just wonder "how many more?"
Living in what? Some light protesting before the apres-ski? If you truly believe this is authoritarianism, why not beg Jill to lend you your balls back so you can go spit some ICE officers in the face. Make sure to take some weaponry, you're fighting Nazis after all.
theSinisterMushroom
25d ago
Weaksauce.
Looks like it's time for the left to dump maximally unkind, inflammatory breadtuber video transcripts at the culture war root level. I really wish that stupid Mein Kampf quote would not be reverberating through my head right now.
Well, surprise! It's a new day (week) so all the original stale points are back, and no, the OP didn't bother to adress any of them, just lots of moralizing, hand wringing, language optimized for heat. I'm losing all sympathy for the blue tribe in this battle. It's clearly important to them that they win the argument, since this event will be foundational to blues continuing to foment violent disobedience into perhaps civil war -- just go read the rhetoric on /r/minnesota and /r/minneapolis for some fun.
Still, sorry, your post is just shit dumped as facts, without any critical thought, maximally charitable to your side, maximally uncharitable to the outgroup.
I'm not going to address your whole gish gallop completely, as I find rehashing old points tiring, and you/the breadtuber seem to veer off into Trump, Venezuela, Noem, just throwing piles and piles of spaghetti at the wall.
This is so obviously a murder.
ETA. Of all the things to highlight from the video, you don't highlight this? The consensus of the Motte is that the case it's murder is extremely weak nonexistant.
And it's very frustrating to me to see people deny like the basic reality I'm seeing with my eyes from multiple angles, from multiple sources. I don't know how to say it clear. So, I want to go through I and and when I say people, I'm really not just talking about random fucking people on Twitter or bots.
This person's truth/reality in this whole video is built on a foundation of lies. If it's murder, then we have to beg all the premises that follow. And you're in luck, as I'm pretty sure we have a very low percentage of bots here.
ICE officers are trained to never approach a vehicle from the front, which this guy did
He was moving around the car in a circle, taking video of the scene. Are you even interested at all in truth, did you read any of last week's discussion?? Did you watch the video?
Then she said, (direct quote) "You know, people need to stop using their vehicles as weapons. This domestic act of terrorism to use your vehicle to try to kill law enforcement officers is going to stop. And I'm asking the Department of Justice to prosecute it as domestic terrorism because it's clear that it's being coordinated. People are being trained and told how to use their vehicles to impede law." This is fucking insane.
ETA: Is it? Maybe we agree after all
The idea that she was a domestic terrorist trained to use her vehicle and not a scared mother of three is fucking crazy, bro. This is her fucking glove box. (Video shows stuffed animals spilling out) It's fucking crazy.
This is the lowest of the low, pure pathetic emotional manipulation. But wait, did you know the ICE officer also has a teddy bear called Mr. Shnookums on his keychain? From his immigrant wife, you know (zoom in on Mr. Shnookums). That's Mr. fucking Shnookums, look, he's squished and dirty from the impact with her four ton SUV.
She blocked half a road for likely five minutes in her local neighborhood because ICE was hanging out around schools. She said stuff like "I'm not mad at you" and "I'm pulling out", and those are not the words attempting to murder a federal agent.
I'm not mad at you, I'm grinning from ear to ear that I get to fuck with you for five minutes, right after my buddies fucked you for five minutes before that. And don't worry, we'll be back to fuck with you later too. Maybe you should just get some lunch big boy.
For fuck's sake, someone (possibly Ross) called her a "fucking bitch" not two seconds after she was shot, which cuts the other way.
Maybe Ross called her a fucking bitch two seconds after she hit him with her truck instead? Which way would that cut?
Again: none of this requires you to think Good's wife, for example (!), or nearby protestors, or Good, are virtuous, only to think that the cop did at least something wrong. Something is wrong, and it's the attitude here.
AHA! Herein lies the crux. My side has lost this moral battle, but we need the win or otherwise the whole facade of us being the resistance against the evil empire will crumble. Something is wrong, something has to be wrong is echoing on repeat in their brains, leaving no room for any dialectical discussion, just arguments as soldiers on repeat. Not to worry though, fellow combatants, even if we lose this one small battle of words and wits, we can just shit up the culture war thread tomorrow with the next youtube video transcript from progressive soldier #342788
The left has a chance to do a funny and reclaim "It's Okay to Be White" from the nazis. Maybe add (red?) white and blue stripes to the diversity/rainbow flag. We'd need some black leaders to say it on tv and in churches. Then the workers united will bring about the socialist paradise.
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