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How did it get started?

I’m actually in a pretty similar situation.

Most of my days are spent with my coworkers (mostly all men) and then my wife, daughters, and nanny.

Next most time spent after that is with my family and at my tennis club.

People I would consider close personal friends I only spend time with maybe once or twice a month.

I’ve tried going to church a few times but it’s hard to get started. I’m a Catholic and it’s been a long time since my grandparents would take me with them as a kid.

What strategies do Mottizens follow for a good social life?

Much has been written about the so-called “loneliness epidemic”.

Pew documents the decline in the number of close friends:

There’s an age divide in the number of close friends people have. About half of adults 65 and older (49%) say they have five or more close friends, compared with 40% of those 50 to 64, 34% of those 30 to 49 and 32% of those younger than 30. In turn, adults under 50 are more likely than their older counterparts to say they have between one and four close friends.

Similarly, Fast Company reports the decline of social clubs:

In his 2000 book Bowling Alone, Robert Putman makes the case that in addition to all of the social changes in America, technology played a big role in encouraging people to leave clubs. Television and the internet, for instance, encouraged people to spend their leisure time on their own, rather than with other people. Social media allows people to feel like they are in a kind of community, but they don’t actually have deep relationships with them.

I chose that excerpt because I think it’s closest to the root cause. People back then had to choose between socialization and boredom. Now we have very good solo entertainment. Many would agree that something important has been lost in the exchange.

I’ve tried to fight this trend in my own life, with limited success. Even if you personally resist, your friends still need to choose to hang out with you, over, say, bingeing the latest TV show. As the decline of social clubs demonstrates, we social-seeking individuals now have fewer options.

One potential option is to embrace technology and socialize on the internet. I spend so much time on Twitter because I like talking to people.

What do you guys think?

your family tree is more predictive of how long you will live than actuarial stats

Not looking good for me, then.

Avoiding the big ones like heart disease or cancer and you can reasonably expect to live to 95+.

Or you do everything right and die from a mystery illness. Unlikely I guess, but I don’t see how I’ll personally ever be able to look at life the same way.

It may be a skill issue, but have you lost a direct family member?

Because I didn’t know I had a skill issue until it happened to me

In my unfortunate new experience, what you say is good for coming to terms with mortality.

But acute grief is more about the imagined future you’ve lost, and the sense of unfairness and senselessness

I have a child. And am a child of the departed. It’s certainly some consolation.

Yeah, I could tolerate it too, but can no longer deny now that it’s happened to someone I love

They say man plans and god laughs.

I think I’ve been pretty in-tune with the techno-capitalist zeitgeist.

Any philosophical framework needs to address death—as much a constant of life as the sun setting each day.

How does the rat-diaspora do this? Rationally of course! With statistics. But the lower parts of our brains don’t understand statistics, so the real message is this: if you’re 64 you’ll get another 16 years according to the actuarial tables. If you’re completely healthy, run daily, have a highlighted and annotated copy of your medical records—if you’re literally doing everything right and within your power to take care of yourself—you can shade that up a couple years.

But that’s not true—you can do everything right and be perfectly healthy and suddenly die anyway, as the statistics tell us.

Have you ever experienced real “denial”? When the facts tell you “1+1=2 and also fuck you” and you just shake your head and think “no, that can’t be right, maybe 1+1=3 and my life is still good.” The power of rational thinking vs the surge of more primal, ancient ways.

So how do I cope with this? Our thinkers seem to prefer to avoid it, or throw Hail Marys on radical life extension tech. The modern way would be therapy. The traditional way, which got my ancestors through innumerable tragedies, is the church.

But I need something—I don’t think it’s healthy to live in a cold, unfeeling world ruled by randomness. (After all, that’s not how the West was won, was it?)

If you’re gawking (slyly), what happens after five drinks?

Part of what made the situation feel so scandalous to me was that so many of us were married or otherwise spoken for.