ArmedTooHeavily
Whatever happened? A breach in the very unity of life, a biological paradox, an abomination, an absurdity, an exaggeration of disastrous nature. Life had overshot its target, blowing itself apart. A species had been armed too heavily – by spirit made almighty without, but equally a menace to its own well-being. Its weapon was like a sword without hilt or plate, a two-edged blade cleaving everything; but he who is to wield it must grasp the blade and turn the one edge toward himself.
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ArmedTooHeavily
1hr ago
The point is that if you're a cop and someone starts driving their car at you at close range while you're trying to arrest them it's very reasonable to assume they might be trying to run you over, and that is a textbook deadly threat that warrants deadly force in response.
Yes, cars move. There is literally no way to move a car other than to "accelerate" it. The car in question went from stationary, to moving - it might have even hit 7 mph. A stationary car will also "accelerate" "at you" if you stand in front of it when it starts.
Yes, and you should not do these things when there is a cop (or anybody else) standing right in front of your car because you could kill them.
ArmedTooHeavily
1hr ago
Sure, I'll grant the premise. In that case you might say "deporting people in contravention of the law." They still aren't "disappearing" people.
ArmedTooHeavily
1hr ago
I think grouping cars, which most Americans have, in with deadly weapons for this purpose, while technically correct, is a good example of the non-central fallacy.
This is pretty silly. The thing that makes a deadly weapon a deadly weapon is "will it kill you if used against you". In the case of cars, they aren't considered deadly weapons until they are being used in a potentially deadly manner, which makes perfect sense. ArjinFerman could have better phrased it as "already in use of a deadly weapon", but the fundamental fact remains: her car could have killed the guy had this gone slightly differently.
ArmedTooHeavily
1hr ago
As a principled first amendment fan, i think that you should be able to scream whatever the fuck you want at cops at any time.
ArmedTooHeavily
1hr ago
The claim that the victim was trying to run an agent over is not only not true, video footage clearly shows that it isn't.
The legality of the shoot is not dependant on "did she intend to run him over", it's "did he reasonably think she was trying to run him over." Two very different things.
ArmedTooHeavily
1hr ago
I'm guessing you grew up in a place or social/economic milieu where people didn't have many violent interactions with cops. It's very common for e.g. responsible black parents to teach their kids that lesson.
ArmedTooHeavily
1hr ago
Was the car actually going fast enough to seriously injury him?
a car going 5 mph without stopping will knock you over and then can kill you when it runs you over.
ArmedTooHeavily
1hr ago
Were the videos of the Rittenhouse shootings viral videos posted day of?
I watched the shootings happen live on a stream.
ArmedTooHeavily
1hr ago
Something about this case seems much more cut and dried than the rest of the ones you mention. All of the relevant facts are on camera, from multiple angles. There's very little else you need to know.
The Rittenhouse shootings were even more clear cut that this: they were textbook justified self defense, executed with exceptional aim and restraint, and followed immediately by an attempt to turn himself into the police.
And well, you know how that one went.
ArmedTooHeavily
1hr ago
Giving a paramilitary organization the power to make people disappear without due process
These histrionics are embarrassing.
A more neutral and truthful way to describe was ICE does is "arrest and deport illegal immigrants in accordance with existing law." They're not a paramilitary organization, they don't "disappear" people, and deportees get all the due process they are afforded by US law.
ArmedTooHeavily
1hr ago
All of this also applies to inner city policing and the other hot button topics.
One of the things that really stood out to me about BLM is that the focus was ostensibly on preventing police killings of black people, but absolutely nobody involved in the movement was saying "We want you to live, so stop resisting arrest. If you comply with the cops they will not shoot you." That advice alone would prevent 99.99% of all police shootings, but that was absolutely not part of the BLM messaging, and that's one of the things that made me realize BLM wasn't about what was on the tin.
ArmedTooHeavily
4hr ago
My takes:
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Almost certainly going to be called legally justified. She was accelerating her car towards him at close range; from his perspective (which is the one that matters for legal purposes) it was a clear deadly threat, plus he's a cop so he gets extra leeway for shooting people. If he was a civilian it'd be less clear cut, but I'm 95% sure it gets called legal and that's the call I'd make if i was on the jury, cop or not.
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In retrospect an unnecessary shoot, you can tell by watching her wheels she wasn't trying to hit him though she did glance him. He could have probably jumped out of the way, but it'd be risky if she was trying to hit him. I don't think it's reasonable to expect cops to engage in that kind of self-risk to avoid shooting people, but I think cops should aspire to as a matter of personal virtue.
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As almost always, she gets major culpability here for A)being in this situation in the first place B)not just complying C)Trying to flee in a way that could obviously be read as a deadly threat. DHS says she was attacking agents/their vehicles beforehand, idk if true but i'd bet it is; it's vanishingly unlikely this happens without her deliberately engaging against the agents. I'm not saying she deserved to die; I'm saying that she had numerous obvious off ramps from this situation she didn't take and therefore is significantly responsible for her own death. Sort of like a motorcyclist who's doing 100mph on a city street a tshirt and shorts who then has a car do an illegal U-turn in front of them, hits it, and dies: they might not be technically at fault for the specific accident but they're at fault for being in a situation where it could happen.
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I think that the blue media and politicians are also majorly at fault here. They have been encouraging people to interfere with ICE, and encouraging people to interfere with law enforcement will almost inevitably get people hurt and killed. She got memed into this and died for it.
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Approximately nobody is going to interpret this except through a maximally partisan lense. Our cold civil war gets a little hotter.
ArmedTooHeavily
3d ago
There is, I note, a consistent history of Britain very much using that fleet for several hundred years.
ArmedTooHeavily
5mo ago
Absolutely seconded. Mental coherency is, fundamentally, what makes a person a person, what makes one oneself. Getting out while the getting is good and you are still you is right and honorable.
ArmedTooHeavily
5mo ago
Despite all of this about 1/5 of the patients regularly asked me to help kill them. They were in more or less constant pain despite pain management, increasingly felt that the help the got was degrading and their minds were rapidly slipping.
Is 1/5 an exaggeration or (to quote black hawk down) a no-bullshit exception?
My mind immediately goes to "this is another reason why you should never, ever let anyone disarm you." Horrifying.
ArmedTooHeavily
5mo ago
Yeah but the hacker anonymous runs them all.
ArmedTooHeavily
5mo ago
You're trying too hard, obvious bait is obvious.
ArmedTooHeavily
5mo ago
I'd be very interested to read that.
ArmedTooHeavily
5mo ago
Totally different director, totally different vibe. Prometheus and Covenant were "in the universe" but weren't really Alien movies, Romulus is very, very much an Alien movie.
ArmedTooHeavily
5mo ago
The toaster fucker greentext might answer your question.
ArmedTooHeavily
5mo ago
Did it, or did everybody just collectively forget about all of the forgettable trash?
ArmedTooHeavily
5mo ago
Alien: Romulus is excellent.
ArmedTooHeavily
6mo ago
Disagree with this. Carriers have been performing extreme maneuver drills on a regular basis with planes onboard since they first were created, and the Nimitz class has been doing it since the first one was commissioning in 1975. Planes don't usually fall off during these drills.
ArmedTooHeavily
6mo ago
Yeah, having gotten some more info from people in this thread, I'm coming around to it just being a spectacular fuckup by the guy towing.
More or less, yes.
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