Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
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I'll speak only for my self here because there are a lot of black people who'd kill me for saying this but I just don't care about white identitarianism at all, I only care about to the extent it would affect me. And yeah I agree it's hypocritical when everyone else is tribalist but people hate when whites are.
If black people and black countries were prosperous I would care about anti-blackness nearly as much as I do.
Malcolm X believed the same thing. He opposed Jim Crow when it denied black people actual rights like voting, but he openly chided the Civil Rights Movement led by MLK for fighting to integrate because he saw it as more productive to uplift black people so that they would have to rely on the charity of white people. I believe this too
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
18d ago
I know but I don't want to just be "treated colorblind", I actually care about my tribe and their collective fortunes
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
20d ago
I don't really understand how any of this has anything to do with what I said?
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
20d ago
Before mass migration we could functionally ignore HBD and be nice and get along because the country was 87% white.
What the fuck are you talking about? When the country was supermajority white there was Jim Crow and white supremacist terrorism again Black Americans. Hart-Cellar was passed only a year after the Civil Rights Act
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
20d ago
Yes I know
But for black people the grievance wasn't just that we were being treated unequally by law but that we were viewed as "inferior" by the dominant (white) society.
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
21d ago
When people both here and elsewhere say that HBD is true but that society should still treat people as individuals or practice colorblindness, I get really mad. I don't disagree with them, but I still get mad
Because what I want to say in response is that that isn't good enough because your premise was supposed to wrong! The edifice that was used to justify anti-blackness for centuries was supposed to be completely discredited, put into the dustbin of history. You can’t enslave, discriminate, oppress, and demean a people based on the assumption that they’re inferior and then…turn out to be right. That’s not fair!
But I can't express that belief because of how obviously irrational it is. It's a demand for cosmic justice, not a real intellectual rebuttal. Yet I can't help it
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
28d ago
"Humans are also subject to evolution"
Can we stop using weasel words here? Literally no one denies that humans are subject to evolution. We know you mean race science
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
28d ago
I've seen a lot of "Woke 1 vs Woke 2" discourse on social media and the thing I can't help but notice is that a major difference between "Woke 1" and "Woke 2" seems to be that "Woke 2" just doesn't really care that much about Black Americans anymore.
The summer of 2020 was touted by left-wing intelligensia as an almost eschatological event for American race relations that was going to finally finish the fight for equality for good. At the time it certainly felt that way. I was a young black progressive who was deeply concerned about racial inequality and I even attended a protest with my family. Even though I didn't like the cancellation campaigns or the rioting, I was sincerely convinced that ultimately it would be worth it in the end. But fast-forward to now, has anything really changed? Are Black Americans materially better off now? No, not really. But for the most part non-black leftists have largely stopped caring. Palestine is the "current thing" now and we've been moved down the progressive stack it feels like.
...and I'm plugged into black social media and all the time I'll see people who are still true believers in all the "Woke 1" stuff reacting to the regret over it's excesses by people like AOC feeling betrayed. Like what do you mean "Woke 1 was crazy"? So you were just pretending to agree with us then? You think we're too embarrassing now???
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
1mo ago
The problem Anti-Zionists have with Israel isn't really that it's an ethnostate. It's that it's a settler-colonial project that came into existence through the displacement of the native population. Just like the US, Australia, and South Africa.
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
1mo ago
We will make media about how Palestinian men and jewish women are romantically made for one another.
Why can't right-wingers talk about anything without bringing their anxieties about black dick into it?
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
4mo ago
If it’s right and true and just, then it’s to be celebrated, not struggled against.
If society decides that it’s true and just for black people to be subjugated than I will struggle against it. Simple
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
4mo ago
is not really motivated by abstract, consistent moral logic. It's pure group identity
Yes actually. I care about my group identity. I don’t understand how this is supposed to be an argument against me
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
4mo ago
Well brotha we can’t exactly “embrace individualism” so long as the RandomRangers of the world view us as part of a community. I don’t think you should be the kind of reflexive tribalist who defends whatever a black person does. That’s the kind of mindset that makes race relations and “our community” much worse. But the reason I’m invested in “the black community” is the simple fact that how ousiders perceive us as a collective DOES IN FACT affect US as individuals. They did not spare the “good blacks” the last time and I don’t want to have to rely on rolling the dice and hoping that they will the next.
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
4mo ago
My question to you is what does "fighting" entail?
I'm saying that if /u/RandomRanger got his way and there was some "reawakening" in society where they agreed to "block" black people using state violence I would fight
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
4mo ago
I (and many other "fucking white men" and "stale pale males" or whatever) sat through a lot worse during the earlier parts of the Culture War
I think Jim Crow is worse than DEI actually
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
4mo ago
The last time I participated in this community I was in November. When as part of some discussion about how DnD had gone woke or something, /u/RandomRanger posted a very long comment where, to paraphrase, he said that black people were an inferior stupid race who bring crime and dysfunction wherever we go and that in order to stop the west from being "overrun" with blacks, white racists would need to "block" us in a way the didn't account for "international law" and "human rights". I replied calling him a cracker bitch and was temp-banned by the mods.
Now I know my outburst was against the rules, it was uncivil, I was reacting with anger, and I knew at the time I'd get banned for it. But I don't know, when I see someone essentially laying out a justification for bringing back slavery, how am I supposed to respond, as a black person? Am I expected to lay out some "well have you considered..."-ass intellectual rebuttal, Am I supposed to beg and plead for my own rights? "No sir, Please sir, I'm one of da good ones see!" I'm sorry but I don't have the patience for that
When made my first comment here where expressed profound distress over the possibly that HBD is real. I got a lot of responses along the lines of "well, what's it matter to you? you're an individual and population level statistics don't apply to you." I never thought that they applied to me. But when people in this community use HBD and crime statistics to argue that things Jim Crow and Apartheid were good and just and maybe should even be brought back THAT FUCKING AFFECTS ME. I'M BLACK
I remember another person asked me if I sincerely related to black underclass criminals and no I obviously don't but I relate to people like Toussaint Louverture, Malcolm X, Steve Biko. The intelligent black men who dedicated their lives to fighting the people who wanted to keep us in eternal subjugation for all the same goddamn reasons. And when I read what RandomRanger says about how society ought to forcefully disempower black people for the sake of having a "civilized" country. I'm reminded of the poem written by Claude McKay during Red Summer when white supremacists were terrorizing black people across America:
If we must die, let it be not like hogs Hunted and penned in an inglorious spot, While round us bark the mad and hungry dogs, Making their mock at our accursed lot.
If we must die, O let us nobly die, So that our precious blood may not be shed In vain; then even the monsters we defy Shall be constrained to honor us though dead!
O kinsmen! we must meet the common foe! Though far outnumbered let us show us brave And for their thousand blows deal one deathblow! What though before us lies the open grave?
Like men we'll face the murderous, cowardly pack, Pressed to the wall, dying, but fighting back!
So bring it on! I don't care if we won't win but I'll FIGHT LIKE HELL for my people and if I die I know I'll have died a proud black man who stood for dignity instead of cowering negro who submitted to slavery. I'LL NEVER BE ACCEPT BEING A SLAVE!!!
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
9mo ago
Your hobby isn't childish or simply irrelevant to important matters, it's another way to do good.
This really does remind about what happened to Breadtube. Which was initially heralded as the ascent of left-wing intellectual content online and informed takedowns of the far right. But then just became endless half-baked "media analysis" where amateur sociologists would convolutedly explain how every popular movie was actually a metaphor for capitalism being bad.
And only a racist is going to have the guts to actually block them, for they don't care if it's against 'international law', 'human rights', 'historical debts' and other such things
Demonic pigskin talking about bringing back slavery. Fuck the "norms" you deserve to killed fuck you cracker bitch
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
9mo ago
he's on the side of 'Based Blacks'
What are you talking about? Fuentes is a "race realist" just like everyone on the far-right is and he hates "based blacks" too. Or are you really complaining that he doesn't go far enough with this and isn't calling to literally genocide us?
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
1yr ago
I don't care how utopian your proposed society would supposedly be. I'm not going to let anyone take away my political rights under any circumstances. I won't be a subaltern or slave
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
2yr ago
Isn't the HBD argument that Jews are overrepresented in these circles because they average higher-IQ?
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
2yr ago
I was delightfully surprised by the Walt Bismarck post. It’s a level of empathy toward blacks you don’t usually see on the “Dissident Right”
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
2yr ago
But the solution doesn’t run through CRT, it revolves around whether this separatism is something the black community wants to change, and even if it is, whether it can.
Well, that’s just the issue right? Defeating black separatism would have to involve a fundamental change in the social dynamics that give rise to seperatism. Namely ghettoization and outcome gaps.
But the central premise of “HBD” is that changing that is basically impossible because we’re just worse than every other group. So I guess we’re just fucked then.
Chi_Wara
Tribal and Clannish
2yr ago
The article by Hanania is genuinely infuriating because while he gets it right that a majority of African-Americans see politics through the lens of race, neither he nor the comments can seem to figure out WHY this is. Instead they just shake their heads and go “man, those Negroes, why are they so unreasonable?”
This is a genuine blind spot amongst the right IMO. Because actually understanding the historical roots of this dynamic that might lead to an actual SOLUTION, would require actually engaging charitably with (dramatic pause)
CRITICAL RACE THEORY!!!
(horror movie thunder sound cue)
Which of course, they won’t do.
I mean yeah to be honest
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