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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 31, 2022

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How come you deleted the part where I said, "only some contracts do so," and that even they require only firing for cause? I am sure that SOME union contracts make it unreasonably difficult to fire bad employees, but the OP's assumption that they all do is a claim made without evidence.

Because it was entirely irrelevant to the point. Contracts that making it difficult to fire bad employees are negotiated by unions. The contract is the means to the end of making it difficult to employees, it is not the actor in the situation. The union requests such terms, not the employer. Changing the statement to there only being some unions that negotiate such contracts doesn't alter the situation that when such contracts exist, they're a product of unions that prefer such contracts.

Yes, of course it is unions which negotiate the contracts. That is not the point; the point is that the existence of a union does not, per se, imply the existence of an onerous contract provision. If the question is, to paraphrase the OP, "are unions bad," then the answer is "it depends," not, as OP implies, "Yes, because they prevent bad employees from being fired.'

OP said "Anyone have any examples of an employee union [that doesn't prevent bad employees from being fired]" and I haven't seen anyone give one

No, OP asked for "any examples of an employee union that improves business for both employees and employer?" The bracketed material in the quote completely changes the question.

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